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Bentley Signs "Fetal Pain" Abortion Ban

by: mooncat

Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:50:31 AM CDT

So many people were focused on the horrible "personhood" abortion bill in the Alabama Legislature, SB301, that very little has been said about the bill that did pass both houses and was signed by Gov. Dr. Bentley yesterday.  This bill, now Alabama law, bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy (about 1.5% of all abortions) regardless of fetal viability and with only the most narrow of exceptions.

"I believe that life begins at conception and I signed this bill to further commit my promise to protect the life of an unborn child," Bentley, a Republican, said in a statement.

Well, the real issue for the governor ought to be what is or is not legal, instead of his personal beliefs.  And entirely left out of Dr. Bentley's belief is the welfare of the woman involved in the pregnancy.  According to a recent Alabama ACLU action alert:

Under this bill, rape and incest victims, women whose pregnancies go awry with a serious fetal anomaly and other women would be forced to carry their pregnancies to term.  If a woman is undergoing treatment for a serious illness, such as cancer, and is forced to carry her pregnancy to term under HB 18, she may have to forgo life-saving medical treatments that are incompatible with her pregnancy.

Big government right up in your business, between your doctor and your decisions.  That's what Republicans want to impose.

They want to stop abortions entirely ... if you ask these people they'll tell you that.  It's an impossible dream.  Abortion didn't start with Roe V. Wade; as long as there have been pregnancies, there has been abortion.  The choice is whether abortion should be a dangerous procedure done in the dark with a high rate of complications, or a safe, legal procedure performed in a hospital or clinic. 

The way to reduce the number of abortions is to offer effective family planning help and make birth control widely available -- two things conservatives vehemently oppose.  These anti-abortion laws they are passing will never stop abortion and they know it.  It's all about making sure women who have an abortion pay dearly for it ... in blood and money ... and about pandering to religious fundamentalists for votes.

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We've said this before. (0.00 / 0)

90% of the anti-abortion stuff is about punishing women for having sex and is not about saving lives.  If they were so concerned with saving lives, they wouldn't be so against programs like CHIP.

All we're going to have is yet another story of a mother and father who are forced to carry a child that they know is going to die and put themselves through that misery, only to have to later watch the child suffocate to death for hours before finally passing.  And WHEN (not IF) that happens, it will be publicised from here to eternity-- as well it should be.

Most, if not all, women who choose to have an abortion for the reasons that they find deplorable (like for birth control) will have them by 20 weeks.  Typically speaking, if a child is aborted at that stage, it's because something is very, VERY wrong.

There you go (0.00 / 0)

bringing facts into it again.

When will you learn?



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It's a handicap. (0.00 / 0)
I tend to lean toward facts, and I'm told they occasionally have a liberal bias.

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and that's the best thing about LIA (0.00 / 0)
  you listen to my thoughts and correct me when I have misconceptions with proof not just beliefs.

"only the dead have seen the end of war"~~ George Santayana

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C'mon Now (0.00 / 0)
  I really don't like to comment on this is as beeing a man kinda disqualifies me. I'll never know what it is like to be pregnant and am vehemently Pro Choice but 20 weeks, that's half way through the pregnancy. Well into the second trimester. Fetus viability is increasing and now there are babies surviving at 23 weeks. Pick your battles my people. This is one that will only give more ammunition to the Pro Life supporters by argueing the point

"only the dead have seen the end of war"~~ George Santayana

Well there's this... (0.00 / 0)

Nebraska has a similar law.  A couple found out at about 22 weeks that their baby would not make it.  Instead of having the option to end things quicking and not drag them out unnecessarily, they were forced to carry the baby for as long as possible only to have the baby and then be forced to watch their child suffer for hours before finally dying.  Here's the story.

Like I stated above, when folks choose to have an abortion simply because they don't want to have a baby, it's usually going to be before 20 weeks.  So the only real cases where someone would need/want an abortion after that is for cases like the above-- where the baby is likely not going to make it anyway.  I don't see how forcing the parents and the baby to suffer through the above scenario is really any better.  In my view it's downright sick to take that option away in such a situation.

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Medical Necessity (0.00 / 0)
  see this is another point that I am misinformed about. It was my understanding that there are exclusions to the law concerning medical necessity. I try to stay informed, more than most I think, and if I am not aware of these complexities then I would think the majority of well meaning people are also misinformed.

"only the dead have seen the end of war"~~ George Santayana

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Yes and no. (0.00 / 0)

This wasn't necessarily considered to be a medical necessity, and while there was medical risk involved, the mother's life was not directly considered to be at risk.  She could have developed a nasty infection, and it would have left her unable to have another child (or worse, killed her), but it was just a possibility and a possibility isn't a good enough reason.

The Alabama law is based on this same law.

There are also situations with multiples where it's very unlikely that all of them will survive to term but one or two (and sometimes three) might be carried to term.  This is usually in a situation where a mother has gone through various fertility treatments, meaning that she wants to have a baby.  In those situations, there is a procedure called "multifetal pregnancy reduction" where one or more of the multiples is aborted so that one or two of them can be carried to term.  It's a process that carries its own risks, but it still results in a lot of babies being born that would have otherwise been miscarried without the procedure.

Normally the above procedure would be carried out well before 20 weeks, but I can imagine a set of circumstances where the mother might have thought she could carry multiples to term and then get some rather bad news after 20 weeks.  This bill does not have an exception clause for that situation.

As I said before...  Most women who are having an abortion simply because they don't want the child are going to have that abortion well before 20 weeks.  Which stands to reason that most women who would have a late-term abortion would only do so when there is some complication that arises.  So effectively all they've done is made it more difficult for women (and babies) who are experiencing complications to find solutions.

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Here's a much better coverage of the story. (0.00 / 0)

ABC News

Worth noting...  The couple wasn't technically seeking an abortion.  They were seeking an induction to spare the mother the pain and possibility of infection that might leave her unable to have a child ever again.  The law prevented that, and the baby was crushed inside her uterus as she was forced to carry the baby until the inevitable happened.  This was also the second time this had happened, as she'd lost a previous baby the same way but at 15 weeks.

So yeah...  Sick.

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The one thing you said that made sense was the first. (0.00 / 0)
" I really don't like to comment on this is as beeing a man kinda disqualifies me." Obviously, you should have stuck to that. 

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