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True or False: Alabama PACT Parents Were Just Dumb Investors

by: countrycat

Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 18:36:30 PM CDT


It's a question floating around blogs, newspaper editorials and letters to the editor.  Why did PACT parents and grandparents think their investment wouldn't lose money?  Furthermore, the questions ask: "I've lost a lot in the market, so why should tax dollars prop up your dumb investment?"

On Sunday, BlueSeeingRed's diary asked some good, legitimate questions along the same lines - although not in such an ugly way.

...but if it was just some glorified mutual fund, aren't the people who invested in the program culpable also in this matter?

I mean there is something called "Buyer Beware"...that it is incumbent upon everyone that signs a contract to know what they're getting themselves into. Thats why you need to read any contract before signing it, or if you're unable to for whatever reason, to get a competent lawyer to do so for you.  I think, after giving it some thought,  I for one need to see the contract before rushing anymore into this blame game.

 Below the fold, I'll try to answer some of the questions and criticisms I've seen in a FAQ format.  One that I certainly hope is more illuminating than the one the PACT board put up.

Oh, there's also a short video of parents and grandparents at the Montgomery parent's meeting on March 12th.  They tell their stories.  One is a banker who describes how George Wallace Jr. (then state treasurer) solicited the Alabama banking community to sell the program to the public in the early 1990's.  Other parents read from their contracts... words like "guarantee" and "assurance" are in each one.  To my knowledge, the definitions of those words haven't changed in the last 20 years or so.

 

countrycat :: True or False: Alabama PACT Parents Were Just Dumb Investors

 Question 1:  You guys just made a bad investment.  Why should taxpayers bail you out?

Answer:  The PACT contract holder didn't "invest" in anything.  They bought a "contract" that - until 2001 - "guaranteed" 4 years of undergraduate tuition.   Please check out these documents to review the contracts and marketing literature:

PACT brochures, disclosure statements, and contracts from 1990 through 2007 in PDF format.  

Question 2: #$%# the marketing literature!  This was never guaranteed!  What about due diligence?

What about the State of Alabama having a duty to disclose the risks of the investment up front instead of in the fine print? Remember that this program began in 1990.  It was marketed as "guaranteed" tuition and a "prepaid" plan.  In fact, even today, the Alabama Commission on Higher Education Web site still calls the plan

A contract to guarantee four years of fully paid undergraduate tuition at any public junior college, college, or university in Alabama;

Question 3: Why didn't you read the fine print?  

Yes, the bill didn't put the "full faith and credit" of the State of Alabama behind the plan, but none of the marketing literature or contracts mentioned that during the first few years.  The current documents are very clear.  But in the early to mid-1990's, they were not.  And this is pre-Internet days.  Did the PACT board and Legislature really expect Alabama residents - many of whom live in isolated rural areas - to go to the public library or somewhere and review the bill's text and Alabama code?

Question 4:  Hey, my investments have fallen too.  Why should your's be any different? 

Again, in the early days, this program was not sold like a mutual fund or stock.  Rather, it was an insurance policy.  No matter what, people had a firewall - at least their kids' and grandkids' tuitions would be paid for.

As Tim Carver from Hoover said at the March 12 meeting:

"My wife and I took our nest egg and bought lump sum contracts for our kids.  Even in retrospect, there is nothing in those documents that says the benefit is based on investment or ROI.

Who wrote this up? I see the words "contract" and "guarantee" but you say it's not?  Is it even a legal contract?"

Question 5: Duh.  There's risk when you invest.  The market goes up and down, so why are you surprised that the trust fund has shrunk?  

Parent after parent spoke about buying the PACT contract even as they knew they could put the money in the stock market themselves and invest it individually.  But this was sold as a guarantee.  It was the low risk option. 

When you invest yourself, you have control over where the money goes.  But PACT contract holders don't.  The program is managed by the board and "professional" managers. Who would have believed that these people would put the money in high risk investments and squander half of it?

Note the fantastic work that HaveALittleTalk has been doing on this point.

Let me quote one of the parents who spoke at the meeting. I don't have her on video because I was running out of video space, but I noted her words:

"We didn't invest with Bernie Madoff.  We are the people who put education first.  We live within our means and pay our bills. It's time to stand for Middle Class America.  We played by the rules and took the prudent course.  And now we'll be left with nothing".

Question 6:  Aren't the PACT parents just expecting taxpayers to pay for their mistakes?

We bought into a state program.  It was run by state officials, publicized by state officials (Jan. 14 of this year, Treasurer Kay Ivey was encouraging people to invest, for crying out loud!) and administered by a board composed of state elected officials or appointed by them.

How can the state credibly say it's not responsible?

To repeat, these parents were NOT taking risky chances or going for wildly inflated returns.  This program was sold as the fail safe option.  People bought contracts knowing they might could make more money on their own, but went for the guarantee.  

Question 7:  Look at the PACT documents on the Web site.  They contain clear and specific disclaimers about the risk.  What didn't you understand?

What many people new to this issue don't understand is that the documents have changed over time and without any publicity from the PACT board. 

Actually, it's hard to get any information out of the PACT board. They have so far refused to release the minutes of their meetings over the past few years where investments were discussed.

The early PACT contracts (at least through 1994) clearly guarantee tuition.  By 2001, that had been removed, and now, the documents are crystal clear about the risk. As another blogger noted, they're so doom and gloom that "you'd have to be an idiot to buy a contract now."

But what you see now isn't what tens of thousands of families saw when they signed their contracts and paid their money.

And I have a question for the PACT board, the state, and the naysayers, who call us dumb or whiners for wanting the state to live up to its promises.

There's starting to be a good bit of evidence uncovered that this money wasn't managed prudently.  Remember that the PACT contract holders had no knowledge or influence on investments - that was completely handled by the state-appointed board.

If state officials don't perform the necessary oversight and live up to their fiduciary responsibility for a program worth about half a billion dollars and affecting tens of thousands of families, then are we supposed to shrug our shoulders and say "darn stock market" and just walk away?

Is this how you want your state government to function?  Where's the responsibility and accountability?

The PACT contract holders lived up to their end of the bargain.  It's time the PACT board showed us that they feel some sort of responsibility to live up to their side of the deal as well.

 

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Nicely Done! (4.00 / 2)

This is the part that gets me first:

Did the PACT board and Legislature really expect Alabama residents - many of whom live in isolated rural areas - to go to the public library or somewhere and review the bill's text and Alabama code?

 Reminds me of a story from ancient times about a king who would make laws and write them on signs and hang them so high up on the city walls that no one could read them. A parable of irresponsible rule.

Anyone who wants to understand the issues can read this post and understand them, I think.



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The Spin is In (4.00 / 2)

The "Alabama Parents are Dumb" sounds like the excuse the right wing uses for the economic crisis, "the government made the banks give loans to people for houses they couldnt' afford.  You nailed it. 

Go countrycat!



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False (4.00 / 2)

While there can be a good debate over whether or not the state should be in this business, Secretary Treasurer after secretary puffed this up as a guaranteed program and  flooding the airwaves with "ya'll come" ads.  The stock market is gambling , and while people know that, they also believed what they were told by state officials.  Callan Assoc. has been in charge of this for five-years and the Secretary Treasurer has been selling it wildly all that time, even after it started to tank.

Jack Hawkins at Troy, Alabama State Univ, and Bradley Byrne have stepped up to the plate to contribute to a solution saying no tuition increases for PACT participants in the plan for three years.  The two-year schools will not raise tuition for anyone at 2-year schools next year.  Auburn and Alabama chose not to play saying it would cost them too much money.  I don't care why any of these three did what they did,they all made positive steps in the right direction.

The plan has money and is not about to collapse tomorrow.  It would be nice if the market did not keep going down.  Posturing aside, the time is for the state to come together get in line with those who have contributed to a solution, quit the fear mongering and over-the-top scare tactics and talk rationally about the solution and then where the program goes from there.  It may be time for PACT to come to an end, but the current participants I think will have their contracts honored.  That's my hope.



The Hawkins/Byrne "Solution" (4.00 / 2)
Is like putting a band aide on Cancer if you ask me.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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It's certainly a short term fix. (4.00 / 1)

But at least they're doing something.  I'm getting sick of the almost total radio silence of the PACT board.

I have a bad feeling that they're all cooking up some "solution" that will be voted on March 24 with little discussion and comment.

Which, btw, would be in violation of Alabama's Sunshine Law, but it happens all the time.



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The Short Term Fix is in (4.00 / 2)

Or should I say the short sighted fix is in?   There is no right way to do the wrong thing.  The Hawkins/Bradly solution is fine for those students planning to attend ASU/ Troy State or a 2 year college over the next three years but what about the rest of the students and parents? 

I also have a bad feeling the board is doing some backroom wheeling and dealing, cooking up a solution that will cover their donkeys. 

Alabama has a sunshine law?  Who knew? *snark*.

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Single steps (4.00 / 2)

Redeye, I called the Hawkins, ASU, Byrne actions what they are - steps taken to contribute to a solution.  We can all howl at the moon or do what we can where we are to try and make things better.  Talk is easy, taking action, even a single step is harder.  I applaud them all for trying to be part of the solution and showing some leadership.  We are all quick to cut politicians and other leaders to the bone when we don't like what they do.  I think we should all be just as quick to applaud them when they do what they think is right to contribute to solving a problem.

Likewise, open discourse and a search for solutions like happens at places like this is always a step in the right direction.

 



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Very true (4.00 / 1)
Reward good behavior; punish bad behavior.  Both are important, even if you need a microscope to find the good behavior.  It's a start, at least.

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ruffian (4.00 / 2)

I'm sorry I didn't read you comment before I replied to countrycat, but let me repeat, there is no right way to do the wrong thing. In order to find the solution we first need to identify the problem.  We don't know what we don't know.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Here is something to think about (4.00 / 2)

The state of Alabama has an 11 figure amount just gathering dust in the oil and gas fund which we can't currently touch because the interest goes to education. If we could tap that money for a one time spending spree we could actually fix every problem in the state, actually have plenty of money left over, and spend the left over money in ways that would make us the most competitive entity possibly in the hemisphere. The money is there we just can't touch it

 Another interesting thing to think about. The state was awarded 11 billion in a judgment against Exxon that was pushed by administrations and AGs of both parties. A Montgomery judge reduced it to 3 billion. The state supremes reduced it to 50 million with only Cobb objecting. That 3 billion could sure come in useful now. It would also make a great issue for the Supreme Court campaigns in 2010



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No sense in crying over split milk jacool (4.00 / 1)
We can't "tap into" the Education Trust Fund and the Exxon/Mobile has left the barn.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Confused (4.00 / 1)

What are you tagging "False"with the title of your comment?

Also, in regard to this:

  Jack Hawkins at Troy, Alabama State Univ, and Bradley Byrne have stepped up to the plate to contribute to a solution saying no tuition increases for PACT participants in the plan for three years.  The two-year schools will not raise tuition for anyone at 2-year schools next year.  Auburn and Alabama chose not to play saying it would cost them too much money.  I don't care why any of these three did what they did,they all made positive steps in the right direction.

I do not understand how all 3 made steps in the right direction, since one of the group "chose not to play."

I want to understand. It's just that I don't.

And, I am curious to know what you mean here:

Posturing aside, the time is for the state to come together get in line with those who have contributed to a solution, quit the fear mongering and over-the-top scare tactics and talk rationally about the solution

when you say "the state," are you talking about the state government, or, are you saying that people here are fear-mongering?  That's not clear to me, and, as I have already said. I want to understand.



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He's (?) saying the PACT parents aren't dumb (4.00 / 2)
at least that's how I took it!

Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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Ok (4.00 / 2)

Honesty confused by that.

Not being rhetorical at all.



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Auburn and Univ. of Alabama "chose not to play" (4.00 / 1)

That is, they said early that they would not hold the line or reduce tuition for PACT enrollees.  On the other hand, Troy State and ASU have committed to no tuition increases for PACT students for at least 3 years.  Community colleges have committed to no tuition increase for anyone this year. 

The big dogs -- Auburn and Alabama -- are kind of like tough, them's the breaks, while the smallers colleges are at least trying to help. 



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Explanation (4.00 / 3)

Geno, you are right.  Sometimes one writes too quickly and doesn't put things in the right order. 

1) False is the answer to the question of whether or not the parents are to blame.

2)Middle to late last week Hawkins and ASU said they will not raise tuition on PACT students for 3-years,  At the same time Byrne announced once again the two-year college system would not raise tuition at any of its two-year schools next year for anyone.  Today, Monday, I'm sure after further crunching of numbers, consulting with presidents, and other stuff, Byrne announced he will ask the SBOE on the 26th to approve not raising tuition for any of the 1,900 or so PACT students, or about 20% of the total current PACT students, for three years.

So, in my mind these three Hawkins, ASU, Byrne are at least contributing what they and their boards are able to contribute to a solution.   Not the total solution, but positive contributions nonetheless.

3)Auburn and Alabama were asked earlier in the month to contribute and freeze tuition for PACT students and they said no. 

4) As to state, I mean the people of the state, gov't officials, everyone.  There has been a lot of politcial posturing and fear mongering going on to stir people up for a variety of reasons.  It's come from both sides of the political aisle and supporters from both sides.  This state has got to move into the 21st century and people of all persuasions have to work together to solve problems.   This state can either move forward into the future or go back to living in the hate-filled lunacy of the past.  You don't have to give up what you believe to engage in constructive dialogue and work with someone of a different political bent, faith or no-faith, race, social class, whatever to find solutions to the many problems the people of this state face.  We can all appeal to the worst in ourselves, or the best in ourselves and I certainly don't always appel to the best in myself or others.  We all have to just try harder every day.

Don't know if this helps or is more confusing.  I don't do this enough to be very good at it. Sorry for the confusion.



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You're getting better at it (4.00 / 1)

Practice makes perfect and I understood this explanation quite readily.  Even agree with most of it.  This is the best part, imho:

This state has got to move into the 21st century and people of all persuasions have to work together to solve problems.   This state can either move forward into the future or go back to living in the hate-filled lunacy of the past.  You don't have to give up what you believe to engage in constructive dialogue and work with someone of a different political bent, faith or no-faith, race, social class, whatever to find solutions to the many problems the people of this state face.

That bears repeating, long and loud.



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Thanks for the detailed answer ruffian (4.00 / 2)

It does help.

Troy State, ASU, and the two-year system are helping as they can.  Auburn and Alabama have said no freeze - not helpful.

Does anyone know if the no-tuition-freeze position applies only to UA at Tuscaloosa and Auburn's main Campus, or are they system wide? In other words, are UAH and UAB in the same no-tuition-freeze position as the Tuscaloosa campus?

This maybe a stupid question, but I am just a simple immigrant from Arkansas who has lived here 27 years and still does not understand how the system here works.



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The system here is crazy (4.00 / 1)
But I think the UA Chancellor makes the rules for the entire UA system, including UAB and UAH as well as UAT -- waiting to be stoned for that last reference.

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Yeah (4.00 / 1)
That helps.

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Less Confused Now (4.00 / 2)

I think I came down a little too hard on Ruffian's comment.

Sincere apologies to Ruffian.

this will happen whven we're working in text, but totally my fault.

will be checking e-mail in about 30 minutes, then back tomorrow, early, and  well-rested.



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Could someone explain exactly what is going on with this (4.00 / 3)

I have an idea of what's going on and it seems to be a big issue here, but I really haven't kept up with this one. I'd be interesting in knowing what exactly is going on and feel free to be detailed as possible

 

(also a reminder to delete a detailed thing I put up because if it stays up much longer the enemy could read it)

 



Dude! (4.00 / 2)

(are you a dude? Hope so - it's my favorite tagline).

1. the state sold a bunch of people something called a "pre-paid college tuition program" with a specific guarantee that it  would pay for college tuition. You pay in monthly installments for years. Then, when your kid grows up and goes off to college, you've paid their tuition.

2. After they set it up, they changed the rules and the disclosure statement so that it isn't guaranteed or insured in any way, according to that document.

3. People kept paying in.

4. It grew into a massive investment scheme, administered on a day-to-day basis by the state treasurer, who was actively encouraging people to put money into it as late as January of this year. It included a securities lending program.

5. On March 6, or thereabouts, news broke that it had lost about half its value since mid-2007, and might not be able to meet all its obligations.

6. The state did a really terrible job of handiling the news, and hasn't answered questions that need to be answered. People feel jerked around and feel uneasy about what the state's intentions toward this progam are.

7. We're trying to have a discussion about recourse, and actual education costs, and what the state is responsible for, and "who knew what, and when did they know it."

8. Some people don't want to discuss it. They're just, like, THERE WAS A DISCLAIMER. WE MIGHT HAVE TO SPEND TAX MONEY ON IT. IT WAS AN INVESTMENT. SO STFU. END OF STORY.

9. The rest of us aren't buying #8. So we're followng several threads of this story. We're trying to untangle what happened. Trying to come up with a solution so that people who paid for a college education can actually get one. And trying to tell this story to a larger audience, all at the same time.

10. 2010 isn't all that far away.

@ the rest of you who have been on this all along - how's that? feel free to chime in and correct any mistakes I've made here, or add any details that are relevant to you.Jacool did ask, and I felt obligated to give the best answer I could muster.

If you're gonna delete that post you're talkin' about, please e-mail it to me, woudja? I want to take a closer look, but can't do it until we get thru this. I won't share it with teh enemy. Promise.

most of what we've written so far on PACT is here:

http://www.leftinalabama.com/tag.do?tag=PACT

There's an "Alabama PACT" tag too, which may have some stuff not included in that link above.



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jacool (4.00 / 1)
Can you drop me an email?  mooncat at leftinalabama dot com. 

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Regarding Alabama Parents are Just Dumb Investors (4.00 / 3)

Forgive the simplistic analogy. Isn't it the same as saying "She was asking for it." To me it is saying a female can be raped for wearing suggestive clothing. The blame ultimately gets placed on the victim, not the perpetrator.

As a former PACT parent, when I bought both plans, I believed they were guaranteed. I guess they think I am dumb. 



Blame the victim (4.00 / 1)
Standard operating procedure for folks looking to weasel out of anything.

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Favorite tactic of the upper crust and thier enablers (4.00 / 1)
Convince the victim that he's/she's dumb.

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This works far too often (4.00 / 1)
We're conditioned from birth to believe that the upper crust are smarter and better educated.  Better educated is true far too often, but I'm not convinced that social status means higher intelligence.

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Puff yourself up in uneasy times. (4.00 / 2)

Someone can look at their 401k that's fallen or their auto pension is in trouble if the govt doesn't come through with loans or damn, they're having to downsize from a Lexus to whatever's on the next rung down (my car is a 10 yr old Volkswagen).

And prices are going up, unemployment is up, but HEY!  You can look at those dumb PACT parents who thought they were prepaying their kids college education and feel superior.

"At least I wasn't dumb enough to believe the State of Alabama!"



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As a pragmatic person, and if it is put in the context as a program deserving (4.00 / 2)
of bale-out as the banks, insurance companies and auto companies were, then I say there is nothing more important than getting young people educated to where they can get good high paying jobs to where they can be good citizens and pay their share in taxes and contribute to the growth of the American economy.

But I do feel the need to reiterate, if the contract was just a market driven mutual fund (4.00 / 2)

and we are not asking whether the families are just as deserving of financial relief as the banks and insurance companies.....then one has to go on what is in the contract.

And I would never call the families who got caught up in this crisis dumb or stupid, but they did sign a contract that they evidently did not understand. And when you sign a contract, you are saying that you agree with the contents of the contract and will live up to the terms of it.

Based on what I know of the issue as of now, if we're saying the families are deserving of a bale-out just as much, or not more than the likes of GM, AIG and Regions Bank, I say lets bale them out before a dime goes to Regions Bank.



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Oh, you asked great questions! (4.00 / 1)

Questions that anyone outside the PACT program or anybody who didn't live in Alabama or pay much attention when the program was just formed would legitimately ask.

I do somewhat agree about signing a contract you didn't understand.  But I have a bachelor's degree in business and my hubby's an electrical engineer.  To brag, I think I have pretty good reading comprehension skills.  And to us, the contract seemed pretty clear cut.  We prepay a certain amount 16 years ahead of time and the Alabama college system pays 4 years of tuition.

And I will reiterate that you kind of expect a car salesman or Rent A Center or other type of operation to bury the important stuff in the fine print or obscure  it entirely.

In my opinion, the state has a higher duty to inform.  Even if their program and contract met the letter of the law, they had to know they were dealing with a population that, by and large, doesn't have a high level of education. 

But these people know the importance of education - that's why they scripmed and saved to buy the contract.  To them, after their PTAs and bankers and legislators sold this program as a great thing, it's kind of bait and switch to tell them that everything they were promised is in fact, a lie.

 



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We don't always read the fine print (4.00 / 1)

... no matter how often we are told "always read the fine print before signing anything."  Most of us operate on trust for a great many things and only feel the need to read the fine print if we have some reason to think we can't trust the people we're dealing with. 

Case in point:  I had a medical procedure today.  It cost me money, cost my insurer more money and involved stuff that could undoubtedly be dangerous or life-threatening if done incorrectly.  Beforehand a woman shoved some documents at me, said sign here and I signed -- no reading involved.  If I trust these people enough to let them inject God knows what into me and bombard me with who knows what kind of waves, then reading the fine print is not going to help me much.  The state is in a similar position of trust.  Face it, most of us cannot take on the state and win -- plus they are supposed to represent "us," right?  We are predisposed to trust them and it's not like dealing with an investment broker or even a bank -- believe me I read all their fine print, ask questions and still don't really trust them.



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Truer words were seldom spoken (4.00 / 2)
Education is the best investment in the future.  That's why so many Alabama parents and grandparents scrimped and saved to buy that PACT "guaranteed tuition plan" for their kids and grandkids -- some of them paying $45 a month for many long years.  All because they knew a college education was a ticket to a better life for the next generation.  These people weren't stupid.  As to whether they were played for fools by the PACT Board, well, they jury's still out on that one.

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Great editorial from Thicket Magazine (4.00 / 3)

The author, Anita Taylor, reminded me of a data point I had forgotten until now:

Where were the politicians during the PACT hearing?

At the beginning of every school year enrollment forms for PACT are sent home from all the public schools. Alabama Teachers encourage parents to sign up to ensure their child will be able to attend college. This program was touted as a way for the State of Alabama and its’ citizens to work together to the benefit of both. This is NOT a form we pick up at Merrill Lynch or AG Edwards investment firms. This is not an entitlement. It is a cooperative venture.

The also upbraids the President of the University of South Alabama for suggesting that PACT parents were "mostly affluent" so they could absorb the losses.

My husband and I have somewhat of a human-interest story. However, it pales by comparison to the individuals struggling we heard from Thursday. We have eight PACTs fully paid for. We have contracted through PACT $145,915 for our grandchildren to attend college. We started paying in 2000 and made a final payment in 2008. We are in our seventies. This was to be our ‘parting’ gift to our wonderful grandchildren. These guarantees were not bought with excess money falling from our pockets. My husband was in the military and then drove an eighteen-wheeler.

We had also hoped to leave our grandchildren the precious gift of an education. Now this prospect has taken on a strange twist.

 



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Great Stuff (4.00 / 2)

Good diary/post material. Worthy of it.

Just took a look around this morning and noticed several letters to the editor floating around.

One in the Selma Times-Journal really jumped out at me. And someone wrote a response to the Montgomery Advertiser's editorial about moral responsibility. The writer said very clearly that there's a legal responsibility, too and made a strong attempt at supporting that argument.

Think I have those sources right.

More from me today.



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What I can't understand is the reaction of some (4.00 / 2)

who, on past things were allies.

We had some big discussions about bank bailouts and auto loans last fall.  And some of the biggest cheerleaders for the auto bridge loans are now carping that the parents who bought PACT contracts are expecting a bailout for bad investments.

But if they'd just LISTEN to these people and review the documents, they'd see that the PACT was sold as the least risky option.  People bought it knowing they might make more in the market, but they went for lower returns and a supposed guarantee.

Contrast that to the auto companies, who just about everybody acknowledges have been mismanaged for decades.  And yet, I agree that they are too big to fail (or at lead implode into bankruptcy).  The damage to the economy would be horrible.

The damage to letting PACT fail would hurt the individual families and students just as much.  Without better industry and a higher educated workforce, there's no way to move this state forward.

PACT parents should be congratulated for their commitment to education, not excoriated for making what - in retrospect - was the bad decision to trust the promises of the State of Alabama.



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Puzzled by this Too (4.00 / 2)

Part of the problem is they're looking at a relatively small group of people and a potentially large amount of money, I think.

Some folks are ticked off about their 401Ks, which they can do nothing about, and they're having a difficult time understanding why that is a spurious analogy.

I am sure there are other reasons, as well.



It's more fun if you comment!

[ Parent ]
Legal responsibility for PACT (4.00 / 1)
I noticed that someone on the PACT Facebook group has contacted Jere Beasley to explore the possibility of a class action suit if the "prepaid" tuition vanishes.  When you're in a David vs. Goliath situation it's wise to get the biggest, baddest trial lawyer in the state on your side.  No way the Treasurer's Office is going to skip on these parents without consequences.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
What a wonderful gift to give to your grandkids.....my hat is off for you (4.00 / 2)
Those kids have great grandparents!

[ Parent ]
PACT Parents thought like Nellie? (4.00 / 2)

When I was young and would offer an excuse for my behavior  that went something like "I thought it was OK for me to stay out past my curfew without calling" my Daddy would respond by saying "Well you thought like Nellie".  Who was Nellie?  According to my Daddy, Nellie is a person that thought s*it was jelly. 

Did PACT parents think s*it was jelly, or were they sold s*it and told it was jelly?



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