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These Winguts Aren't Letting Up Anytime Soon

by: geno

Fri Feb 27, 2009 at 12:04:12 PM CST


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I went digging around on the toobz to confirm that Wingnut Daily story Melmel wrote about the other day, and I found some interesting things.

Cliff Kincaid, a right-wing writer and Scaife beneificiary, repeated the Obama birth certificate smear at the Conservative Political Action Conference this week and it brought down the house. More evidence that this isn’t going away. Also, the issue of armed uprising was raised by at least one audience member during the Q and A at separate CPAC event.

[Forgive me for getting in the middle of your diary geno, but here is video of winger Cliff Kincaid introducing Republican Congressman Mike Pence at CPAC -- and Pence did not correct his quesitinoning of Obama's citizenship. ~ mooncat]

 

Obamaconspiracy.org is on the case, and they are asking the right questions. Based on the conversation I am seeing there, I’m (cautiously) assuming that Scott Easterling really is an active-duty soldier.

The group that seems most responsible for keeping this conspiracy theory alive at the moment is the “Defend our Freedoms Foundation,” which appears to be run by a Russian-born Dentist from the O.C. who also has a law degree and a real estate license.

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This "Foundation" is collecting letters from military personnel all in one place, so we can read them. Some of the stuff in them is pernicious. A few even go so far as to accuse Obama of being involved with organized crime. Easterling’s letter is linked here. As is a letter from Col. Harry Riley (Ret.), who is a player in the anti-immigration movement and involved with a Freeper organization that portrays anti-war activists as violent insurgents.

Four Tennessee state legislators are also in on this action. Defend Our Freedoms is using their participation as fuel for bigoted, McCarthyite propaganda aimed at Obama.

A few dangers I see with this stuff. First, military rank, or a title like “ambassador” (in Alan Keyes’ case) gives this stuff automatic credibility with some people. Second, smart propagandists can lift out the parts of these letters that might make effective marketing tools and run with them. Third, the purpose of these lawsuits is to pressure the gatekeepers of information on Obama’s personal history to do document dumps. If this is allowed to continue until some of those gatekeepers give in, wingnuts and GOP oppo researchers will comb over every last detail, looking for things they can use to breathe new life into old news, or (even better!) to pressure the administration to agree to a formal inquisition.

This article is important enough to emphasize here. It contains some good history, and will give you a lot of insight into how campaign smears get transformed into conspiracy theories. Throw in a few people like Jerome Corsi, and you have a very useful picture of how this stuff works. I’m pretty gobsmacked by how similar this all is to the early stages of the Clinton scandals.

I’m still convinced this is an important issue, and that this is dangerous, no matter how silly it looks to those of us who know better than to fall for it.

(Tinfoil hats all around! Kincaid’s resume includes time as a staffer for Ollie North, and Col. Riley was an NSA division chief during the Reagan administration.)

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this research is so so important (4.00 / 2)
Thanks for finding all this.  My jaw has dropped down and I can't seem to get it closed.  These people have created their own sad reality and logic will not address it one bit.  Think of cult members that can't conceive of life outside the cult.  We must be vigilant and must continue to bring the light onto this wacko stuff.  This is DANGEROUS!  It is what happens when your politics become sublimated into your fundamentalist religion IMHO. Again, this is not logical and no number of birth certificates will change their minds.  It is the politicians WHO KNOW BETTER that toss these fringe folks a bone now and then that are actually the worst. These people think that  Senator Shelby and others like him legitimize their opinions.As dangerous as any hate group.

What kills me is, we all know its not about where President Obama was born... (4.00 / 1)
its about his politics and for some the color of his skin......I frankly can't recollect any of these people voicing any concerns that Sen. John McCain was born in the Panama Canel zone....how it can be interpreted that because it was under U.S. Military jurisdiction that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen is a little strange.....if it can be interpreted that Mr. McCain is qualified to be president per the constitution with respect to being a natural-born American....cannot someone make a case that someone born in the green zone in Iraq is also qualified, if they are or subsequently become an American citizen?

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Good points (0.00 / 0)

Not really about where he was born at all. Mostly about his politics, but the "color of his skin" part is more significant than a lot of people are comfortable admitting, I think. The racism is hard to discuss in a productive way. Of course, the people working directly to file the suits are never going to mention race, and they're happy to have people of any race buy into this and help them undermine the legitimacy of the President. They'll be glad for people to call them racists -- they'll point to Keyes, make a big deal out of having the race card played against them, and use "political correctness" to distract from the fact that their claims are bogus.

I can't say very much about the comparison to the McCain situation. Seems as though they're playing on the common misconception that overseas military bases, embassies, etc. are U.S. soil (they're not) in order to make a big deal out of the place of birth. Also seems to me that they're intentionally misinterpreting some citizenship laws.

I think these lawsuits are about hearts and minds. I'm interested to see who else repeats this stuff, since it got such a warm reception at CPAC. And looking further into this to see what other organizations the people who are pushing it might be connected to.

And wouldn't ya know it. Orly Taitz started with a blog at blogspot. The last post indicates she moved this stuff to the  Defend Our Freedoms site because the blog was "sabotaged." I'm interested to know whether she paid to set up the non-profit and the independent site, or whether there were other donors.



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You know, as a former Army Captain....I have a real problem with the credentials (0.00 / 0)

of Major General Carroll Childers......who appears to be a plaintiff in this natural-born citizenship case with respect to President Obama right to be president.

 The Major General states in his bio:

 POSITION IN THE MILITARY/RANK/DATES SERVED/STATUS: Retired as Major General Commanding General 29TH Infantry Division VA ARNG 1999, 44 years service


OCCUPATION: Consultant  Registered Professional Engineer

ACHIEVEMENTS: Retired 38 Yrs DON Civil Service, RDT&E, several patents, 14 months in combat zones as science advisor (Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Operation Desert Storm), Oldest DHG of a Ranger Course (42), retired MG, married 50+ years, still ticking and kicking.

Having said that, my point of contention is the gentleman is wearing the U.S. Army's Combat Infantry Badge....a highly priced and hard earned decoration only awarded to combat soldiers having satisfied the mission as defined below: 

The War Department established the Combat Infantryman's Badge on October 27, 1943. The recipients must be either Infantry or Special Forces in the grade of Colonel or below and demonstrate ??³satisfactory performance of duty in action against the enemy.?  ?´ The infantryman is recognized as the only soldier whose primary daily mission is to close with and destroy the enemy and seize and hold terrain.

I might also add, that I'm pretty sure that anyone qualified to wear the CIB must have served 100 consecutive days in combat, as a combat infantrymen or combat engineer focused solely on the mission mentioned in the above paragraph.

Bottom line is I don't believe the Major General is qualified to wear the CIB, and is a court martial-able offense under U.S.Army Rules and Regulations. I see nothing in Major General's bio which would qualify him to wear and/or display the U.S. Army's priced CIB.

 



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No, they aren't letting up anytime soon (4.00 / 2)

I remember when I had a security clearance, long long ago, that association with any people or organizations advocating the overthrow of the U.S. Government would not only jeopardize your clearance, but get you a visit from the Feds.  Of course, that was when Reagan was President.

Apparently, if a Democrat is in the Oval Office, you can commit treason all over the place, and the right wing will not say a word.

Since Newt Gingrich worked his way to the top calling me and mine a traitor, I'm not inclined to pull back when the right wing is promising treason.

So if this is what they're going to say and advocate, we should just call them out as the treasonous bastards that they are.

No, it's not just a difference of opinion.  When you start advocating violent overthrow of the lawfully elected government of the United States and conspiring to that end, you are a traitor.

They don't just hate us liberals and progressives, they hate America.  Keep that in mind.



"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

Not at All (4.00 / 1)
Looking at the various people who have signed onto this or aided it in one way or another, I think it's safe to divide them into a few categories:

1. Stupid, gullible, or otherwise manipulable people who really think these folks are raising a valid alarm. (These would be the same sort who are taken in by concern trolls in other contexts to the point they attempt to honestly address or consider the trolls' concerns).

2. Cynical and self-serving people. Either don't see or don't care about a real risk/danger/possible crime in what they're doing. Maybe this is just sport to them, or maybe they believe they stand to gain something. These are the people who will draw false equavalencies between these attacks on the President and some of the more strident or angry pieces published at, say, HuffPo or KOS, then retreat behind the First Amendment when confronted.Most of the bloggers pushing this are probably in this group -- playing to a rabid right-wing audience and just doing it to generate traffic/prestige.

3. People who are playing fascist. These are the ones I worry about the most, because most of the ones who might decide to do more than talk are likely in this group. and this is the group that's going to overlap the most with the other extremist-types that I've been writing about lately.

Orly Taitz, in particular, raises a flag or two. I've read that she immigrated from Russia to Israel, and was educated there before coming here. Even if it is true, that alone doesn't prove anything. It just seems an odd background for a person who's set themselves up in Orange County and coordinating this psy-op activist campaign to discredit the President that retired generals are signing on to. Especially when I see this on their front page (Links removed):

We are currently developing a network of leaders that would organize personal meetings of groups of citizens with governmental officials. We realized that numerous letters written by volunteers didn't reach those officials, but probably were tossed by low level employees. It is urgent for groups to form in every state and visit the US Attorney's office as well as the FBI. Coordinators have been assigned to assist in organizing these efforts. Contact US Attorney Coordinator. Please put US Attorney in the email subject line. Contact FBI Coordinator. Please put FBI in the email subject line.

This could be bluster, to make it look like they're doing more than they are and to fool people into thinking this is a real "foundation." I hope that is the case.

Check out their downloads page.

Here's a youtube of her at the National Press Club.  Fortunately, the youtubes that come up when you search for her aren't getting much play.

Anyone smart enough to get this far has to know the lawsuits themselves are going nowhere. The original claims have been debunked, and the legal issues are simplistic. So far, this doesn't seem to be costing any of the targets very much in the way of time, money, or lost sleep. I don't think this can be attributed to stupidity. Taitz comes across as a raving lunatic, but I don't think the lunacy is genuine (just my opinion - and certainly not a clinical one).

And the weirdness gets weirder: Over at Veterans Today, there's a contributor calling Keyes a traitor and accusing him of sedition, among other strongly-worded things. That writer indicates that Mr. Popular Revolt himself, Rick Santelli, has also piled into this clown car. Right underneath that post, there's one by a STAFF WRITER (whatever that means) that totally buys into the conspiracy theory and urges veterants to sign onto the lawsuit.



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Thanks for continuing to dig on this (4.00 / 1)
As for the Veterans Today STAFF WRITER -- that's somebody getting paid to write who ought to know better or ought to at least know how to do some research to get the facts.  Crazy!

Work harder and work smarter!

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YW (4.00 / 1)

I assumed that's what it meant, but you never can tell with internet sites. I corrected it as best I could in the comments. Whether or not it does any good is another matter.

Left a comment for that guy who's denouncing it, too.

I put the keywords needed to google that WaPo story about how this got started in both comments. ("An Attack that Came Out of the Ether"). I figured that will do as much good as anything else we've got at this point.



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