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Artur Davis Announces for Governor 2010. Interesting Demographic

by: BenGoshi

Fri Feb 06, 2009 at 16:24:32 PM CST


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A little after 12:00 Noon today at the Harbert Center in downtown Birmingham Congressman Artur Davis announced his intention to seek the nomination of the Democratic Party to run for Governor of the State of Alabama in 2010.  There will be a gijillion articles about this in the print media, in the blogosphere and on television, both state-wide and national.


File photo:  August 28, 2008.  Denver
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Here are a few, short Flip Camera vids from the announcement, shot about 3 1/2 hours ago, which I invite you to look at closely:
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One thing that interested me was the racial make-up of the 100+ supporters on hand to support and cheer-on Congressman Davis.  Alabama is around 72% White, 27% African-American, and 2% (and growing) "Other".  And, yet, by my rough estimate (look again at the vids and judge for yourself), about 3 out of 4 of those who came out for Congressman Davis in Birmingham were White.

While race may very well have played a (discouraging) hand in Alabama going Red against now-President Barack Obama in last November's General Election, that up to 75% of today's well-wishers for Congressman Davis were White, says something.  I'm not sure what.  But, all in all, it seems positive to me and says something good about Alabama.      

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So, how do you think will Congressman Davis do? - nt - (4.00 / 1)


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It will be a hard race (4.00 / 3)

depending upon who else runs. However Davis is bright, articulate and dare I say it, somewhat of a moderate in many of his positions. All in all, a very attractive candidate.

That said, watch what the money folks do - probably lay back till the field defines itself.



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


Watching the money folks (4.00 / 2)
That's interesting.  Up where I live one of the Democratic old timers told me a couple of years ago -- watch who's backing the different candidates.  Speaking of a certain local family we'll call the Joneses, he said "When the Joneses get behind a candidate it's all over."  So I watched.  Last year the Joneses were behind Obama early.  Likewise Parker Griffith.  A couple of days ago one of the Joneses sent me an invitation to the Davis meet and greet tomorrow.  I'm wondering if that constitutes "getting behind" him or was just a public service announcement.  Either way, the Joneses are good friends to have and if they're not behind Davis they clearly aren't opposed to him either.

Work harder and work smarter!

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I wish we had someone hear who had the heads up on who was going to win. (4.00 / 3)
This is exciting. Davis was clearly in a predominantly caucasian crowd at noon and he is in a caucasian crowd tonight. He is playing his cards right. I like his level of aggression. He will scare of Sparks and we will just have to see about Folsom. As I mentioned before, he is hobnobbing with a great deal of money tonight.

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Details of what you mean by all that? (4.00 / 1)
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Who's he "hobnobbing" with?  If you can't name names, then describe a bit . . .

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The Vintage Affair (4.00 / 4)
Davis attended the Vintage Affair tonight at the Wynlakes Country Club. It is a high price event, 200 per person, where one attends to support the Central Alabama Cancer Society. It is generally attended by very wealthy physicians and other wealthy Montgomerians who are usually plastered during the wine tasting at the beginning with the silent auction. If he makes friends with just half of these wealthy people, who are by now, drunk, he will be in good shape. I hope he collected some checks tonight. He should have spoken at 8. By the way, this is unheard of at one of these events. We don't usually mix politics with cancer and wine.

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Mixing politics with cancer and wine... (4.00 / 3)
I'm going to have to mull that over a bit...

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


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Is that what is meant by "mulled wine?' (4.00 / 1)


Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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Not tonight (0.00 / 0)
The Cancer Society Vintage Affair (hobnobbing) is Saturday night.  Tonight he planned to make another formal announcement of candidacy at the state Archives in Montgomery.

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Couple of points (4.00 / 5)

As much as we may lament the need to raise huge sums of money, it is an absolute necessity for a candidate for Governor to be viable.

You can't raise too large a percentage of your money from out of state or you open yourself to the charge that you "are bought and paid for by outside interests" - which plays well here in the great Stet of Alabama

Isn't there a state law that prohibits fundraising while the legislature is in session? I am not sure if it applies just to legislative races or to all races.

Finally I would expect Folsom to announce either during or at the end of the legislative session just so Davis doesn't have the field to himself too long.



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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Money (4.00 / 3)
I believe candidates can't raise money for 2010 earlier than 1 year before the primary, which would mean the starting gun for fundraising will be in June.  Someone also mentioned that these events Davis is doing over the next couple of days are not fundraisers, just honest to gosh "meet and greets" which is consistent with not raising money yet.  Of course, if he meets folks with money now and they like what they see and hear, they might be ready to give him money in June, or whenever.

Work harder and work smarter!

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So this is sort of an exhibition/pre-season game, you might say... (4.00 / 4)


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


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i was very impressed by the crowd today in b'ham (4.00 / 3)

A lot of heavy hitters were there. no it was not a fundraising event. however it is what i considered very good for primning the pump for money.  candidates cannot start raising money until june. my understanding is that no more money can be spent either. however, i'm not sure if money can be spent or raised from congressional account. I know that money can be moved over.

I think by Davis getting out early this weekend he has put the other primary challengers at a serious disadvantage and it could be over before it starts. Davis's controversial move of scheduling his announcement at the same time as Folsom's speech turned out to be very brilliant if that was the plan.

I am going to be very involved in the race to replace Davis, but once that race is over in June I expect to be helping him in the general.



Tell me your point of view. (4.00 / 3)
Why are you supporting Davis over Folsom? I am just curious, not being controversial.

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This is the kind of discussion that *needs* to take place here. -nt- (4.00 / 2)


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Some thoughts (4.00 / 4)
I have not agreed with Davis on all of his votes. I think at times he has voted against the interest of his constituents.

And Folsom has taken some stands that I agree with like removing the confederate flag.I like Folsom. I just think that Davis is a visonary and smart and can bring broad coalitions together.

As much as everyone calls Davis pro-business he has equally gotten accolades from the pro-plaintiff trial lawyers. Davis is a moderate and while a lot of us would like him to be more progressive he is certainly a Democrat.

I'm not convinced that Folsom will run or will I be convinced that Sparks will run especially after the fanfare and fundraising ability of Davis.


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'Others shouldn't run because of the fundraising ability of Davis" (4.00 / 1)

It used to be the candidate with the most votes won, now it's the candidate with the most money wins. 

The best democracy money can buy.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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I'm not saying they should not run (4.00 / 3)

I just think it might discourage them if they don't get out of the gate a little quicker.

Fundraising matters like it or not.



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Fundraising matters (4.00 / 2)
And I don't like it a lot. That's why we end up with elected officials that think we work for them instead of them working for us. They work for the people that have the money.  All we have are our vote.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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You have more than your vote (4.00 / 3)

You have your intelligence, energy and willingness to work.  Complaining about the necessity for candidates to raise large sums does not change the system one whit.  Finding an effective way to push campaign finance reform -- or whatever solution you believe is best -- using your own particular talents can result in real change.

For myself, I doubt that publicly financed campaigns are possible anytime in the near future, but I do feel that campaigns fueled by small donors are much healthier than those with a small number of megabuck donors.  For that reason I urge everyone to give to their candidate of choice, even if it is just $5 or $5 a month.  Lots of people making little donations add up to big money.  That relieves candidates of the need to beg moneyed interests for large contributions and gives them more time to interact with voters.  



Work harder and work smarter!

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gradyw didn't say "others shouldn't run ..." (4.00 / 1)

He said he wasn't convinced they would run "especially after the fanfare and fundraising ability of Davis."  

The difference makes a difference.  Shouldn't implies that others are imposing some kind of judgement on the candidate.  Wouldn't implies that the candidate weighs the options and decides it isn't in his best interests.



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quotation marks were mine (4.00 / 1)
I did not mean to imply gradyw made that statment.  I'm also not "complaining" about fundraising per say as I was making a personal observation about money and candidates and special interest. fundraising.  

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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I get it now - n/t (0.00 / 0)


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Yes, we moderates (4.00 / 4)

tend to be visionary and smart and might I add - extremely good looking (LOL)

Seriously many argue that Big Jim Folsom (the father) was the last Progressive governor Alabama had.



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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The Looney Right (and Parker Griffith) considered the . . . (4.00 / 3)
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 Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to be "anti-business", which was and remains to canard, a b.s. strawman.  But that's how they couched it.  

 And Artur Davis was there right at the beginning (according to Lilly Ledbetter herself) listening to her and taking up the cause of overturning the Supreme Court's horrific ruling in her case 2 years ago.

 It wasn't a particularly "liberal" cause to champion -- just a common sense and pro-woman/pro-family position.  Unfortunately, many GOP dunderheads and afraid-of-their-own-shadows Democrats embraced the b.s. meme (about it being "anti-business") pumped-out by the most snarling elements of the Radical Right.  

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Scheduling today (4.00 / 2)

Countrycat and I had a few minutes with Rep. Davis this afternoon.  We had also attended the Downtown Democrats lunch to hear Lt. Gov. Folsom speak -- as did BenGoshi.

Almost as an aside when we were leaving Davis' office the subject of scheduling came up.  Davis maintained that neither he nor his staff was aware of the conflict until after they had announced the press conference.  They were aware the Downtown Dems. had a standing meeting there on Friday but didn't realize Folsom was the speaker -- not to say none of his staffers received a notice of the meeting, just that they don't normally note the Lt. Gov.'s events on the office calendar. 

As far as I'm concerned it was a happy coincidence.  Davis' announcement concluded a few minutes before Folsom went to the podium so a lot of Birmingham Democrats were able to hear from both of them today.  Two Democrats for the price of one, so to speak.



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My Thoughts (4.00 / 2)

I agree with this Orange comment;

 Davis has spent his time in Congress, much to the frustration of progressives, carving out a niche as a pro-business, pro-war centrist Blue Dog Democrat while in Congress. For that, he will be rewarded as the next governor of Alabama. Make book on it.

Which is why the crowd was predominately white today.  Pro-business, pro-war centrist Blue Dog Democrats aren't going to attact African Americans and progressives because they don't represent their interest.  

So then the question becomes, can Artur Davis win without the African American vote? Or, will African Americans support him because he's African American and forget that he is a pro business, pro war centrist Blue Dog Democrat?

Time will tell the truth.  It always does.

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



If (4.00 / 2)
The crowd was 72% white and 27% African American, isn't that roughly in line with the demographics of Alabama?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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I sort of thought that was Bengoshi's point... (4.00 / 3)


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


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Are we talking about the General or the primary? (4.00 / 2)

If we're talking about the General election Davis can probably count on 27% of the African American vote because they would vote for the red eyed Devil before they voted for a republicant.  But what about the primary?  Can Artur Davis count on the African American vote in the primary, especially if the opponent is a progressive/liberal democrat?  Or is he counting on African Americans to vote for him because he's African American?  That is the question.   

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Primary is first (4.00 / 2)

General election hopes end there for the loser.  We won't know until we know, but what happened in Alabama a year ago yesterday seems to indicate that the African American vote in Alabama can coalesce around a popular African American politician, even against a well liked progressive/liberal candidate.

Mr. Obama decisively won the Democratic primary in Alabama, where African-American voters made up about half of the turnout. A poll in late January showed Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton running very closely. But with 90 percent of precincts reporting results, Mr. Obama led with 56 percent of the vote, to Mrs. Clinton's 42 percent. The two had split the endorsements of prominent African-American groups: Mrs. Clinton won a nod from the black wing of the Alabama Democratic Party, and Mr. Obama was endorsed by the Alabama New South Coalition. Artur Davis, Alabama's only black congressman, led Mr. Obama's campaign in the state. Mrs. Clinton's supporters included Ron Sparks, the state commissioner of agriculture and industries, and Lucy Baxley, the former lieutenant governor. The state's 52 delegates are to be split proportionally.

By the way, I doubt any of the Democrats on the ticket next June can properly be described as "liberal." 



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And why not? (4.00 / 2)

Why can't any of the Democrats on the ticket next June be properly described as "liberal"?

Who would have thought we would have an African American President named Barack Hussien Obama either?  I'm just saying, never say never.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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I don't think Obama is or was liberal either (4.00 / 3)
And neither Folsom nor Sparks -- the two other frequently floated names -- are liberal.  They both have some progressive points, as does Davis, but I think they're all pretty solidly in the moderate camp.  Which makes sense because Alabama voters don't have a record of voting for liberals.  I'd be hard pressed to come up with more than a single handful (not sure about that) of liberal elected officials in Alabama.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Well I'm not going to vote against my self interest (0.00 / 0)
If my choice is between a progressive/liberal and a pro-business, pro-war, Blue Dog DINO, I'm going to vote for the progressive regardless of race, color, creed, sexual orientation, gender or religious belief.  But that's just me.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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FYI (4.00 / 1)
Davis is not and never was a Blue Dog.  And you really ought to provide supporting information (votes?) if you intend to imply he's a DINO.  I do not believe the voting record will bear that out.  And that's just me.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Good point (4.00 / 1)

And just if anyone is wondering there are two African American Blue Dogs - both from Georgia

 Sanford Bishop and David Scott.



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Blue Dog, Bush Dog, Female Dogs (0.00 / 0)

They are all one in the same to me.  

Can I Rant? 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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You can rant, but not on someone else's diary (4.00 / 1)

Especially not without backing up your assertions.  While the terms may be all the same to you, they are not all the same.  You can't arbitrarily call a Congressperson a Blue Dog when he or she is not.  Davis is not.  Sorry, there's just no fuzz on that.

Bush Dog is a term coined by Matt Stoller at Open Left.  Originally Bush Dogs were only those who voted for the emergency supplemental and for FISA in late 2007.  By that test, Cramer was a Bush Dog.  Davis was not.

Chris Bowers proposed adding a third test for Bush Dog status last fall -- the bailout bill.  2 out of 3 wrong means you're a Bush Dog.  I believe Davis would have been a Bush Dog under that test, but someone should look up the vote to be sure.

In both cases the Bush Dogs are simply a label, a way to group congressmen based on two or three votes selected by two bloggers.  Much as I like Stoller and Bowers, they don't sit at the right hand of God and the Bush Dog label reflects their priorities and not much else. 

As for the female dog label, I'm not going there. 



Work harder and work smarter!

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Excuse Me mooncat (4.00 / 2)

I'm sorry I participated in this discussion.  It's obvious we can't discuss our differing opinions in regards to Artur Davis.  It won't happen again.

BTW, the "Can I Rant" was said as a reminder of my "Can I Rant Diary" where I posted my feelings regarding the different factions within the Democratic party.  I didn't mean I was going to rant in someone elses diary and I didn't provide a link to diary in this thread.

Peace



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Redeye (4.00 / 1)

I'm sorry I participated in this discussion. It's obvious we can't discuss our differing opinions in regards to Artur Davis.

I've already learned not to stray into a discussion of Artur Davis... and that's all I'm saying in this thread. 



"Life is divided into three terms - that which was, which is, and which will be. Let us learn from the past to profit by the present, and from the present to live better in the future." - William Wordsworth

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Supporting Information (0.00 / 0)

Right Democrat (Sound Familiar?)

And Davis, who is more conservative than many Democrats on social issues such as abortion and gun owners’ rights, also insists that the next governor of Alabama will be dealing with issues such as education and balancing the state’s budget, issues that transcend politics and race.

Bush Dog Caucus grows to 70

In what is surely the most depressing post I have had to write since Open Left was founded, I am saddened to report that after the latest votes on a blank check for Iraq and warrant-less wiretapping with retroactive immunity for telecom companies, the number of Bush Dogs in Congress has swelled from 38 last August to 70 today. That is, 70 Democratic members of Congress voted for both of the bills listed above.

DLC Leadership Profiles

U.S. Representative Artur Davis (Alabama), co-chair of the House New Democrat Coalition, has made quite an impact in his four years in Congress. Davis has been recognized by Roll Call and The National Journal as one of the future leaders to watch in Washington, and he has earned a reputation as a legislator with an appreciation for bipartisanship. Davis has also made an impact with New Democats. He was a keynote speaker at the DLC's "God, Guns, and Guts" conference in 2003. Davis has also written for Blueprint magazine on results-based politics, the vital center, and reclaiming values issues for Democrats.

Black Cacus Conservatives attempt to clone themselves

Artur Davis occupies a far more dangerous position. Early this year, the 38-year-old Harvard Law School graduate and former prosecutor became one of two lawmakers in charge of the Democratic Party’s congressional candidate recruitment and development efforts in the Southeast. Davis was tapped by fellow DLCer Rahm Emanuel (IL), head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), commonly known as the D-Triple-C.

Candidates eschew party lables in Alabama

Climate if focus of Blue Dog Coalition

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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PS (0.00 / 0)

From the Open Left comment thread;

 Artur Davis, D+16.9 Way too conservative for the district.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Yes, it is. (4.00 / 2)
Which seems to give the lie to the assertion that Davis will attract only 10 to 20% white support.  Do you reckon those folks today were all color blind or something?

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Davis has white support. (4.00 / 1)
It's the African American support I question for the reasons previously stated.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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I agree Joe Reed and the ADC aren't likely to back Davis (4.00 / 3)
But I'm less convinced that will hurt him in a primary.  They didn't back Obama here either.  There's no way to definitively know until the voting is done, but you do raise an interesting concern.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Reed and the ADC were afriand to back Obama (4.00 / 1)

They didn't have faith or hope in Alabama voters. They misunderestimated black voter turnout in the primary.  They misunderestimated the Obama machine. 

Remember?

People are assessing whether he can be nominated and if he's nominated, can he be elected. Democrats are hungry for victory," [Joe] Reed said.

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    "The question is: Can he win in November? The answer is absolutely not. America is not going to elect a black man no matter how brilliant he is," [Rep. Alvin] Holmes, D-Montgomery, said.

    Dennis Bogan of Brantley, the ADC's Crenshaw County chairman, said he will support Clinton on Saturday, in part, because of concerns about whether Obama can win.

    "Personally, we don't think the U.S. is ready for a black president," he said in a telephone interview.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Thanks for your input. (4.00 / 3)
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I must say, I'm certainly "pro-business" and anyone who works for a private entity would, I hope, be "pro-business".  And, for that matter, even someone who works for a local, state or federal government would, in most cases, be "pro-business".

Now there's "pro-business" and there's "pro-socially irresponsible business".  They're certainly not the same thing.  

I have a "business".  I'm pro-my business.  I have many friends and clients in business or who work for businesses.  I help build and promote businesses.  I counsel clients on how they do business.

At any rate, business is not, nor should not, be a dirty word.  It's how one conducts their business that needs to be considered and scrutinized.  

As for "pro-war", I won't even go into that.  

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Davis can expect a majority of the black vote... (4.00 / 4)

just as Folsom can expect a majority of the white Democrat vote, but the truth is that I expect many more people to cross racial lines than they did in the Alabama presidential primary.  Davis is too much of a centrist, even with his relationship with the Obamas, to garner the kind of monolithic support that Obama got among black voters in the primary.  Besides, Folsom and his father have a real history of working for racial progress in this state and that should give many black voters pause when considering their choice.

Also, I think you will see a big divide between rural/small town Dems and urban/suburban white Dems, the first group moving in masse towards Folsom, while the second group voting largely for Davis.  I don't know what all this means.  I was a huge supporter of Barack Obama in the Democratic primary from the moment that I saw him speak in Selma and I am a Folsom supporter all the way.



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My thoughts (4.00 / 1)

Hillary Clinton had a lot of support from influential African Americans in this state during the primary. But that did not translate into a large percentage of the African American votes.

I think that Davis is popular enough in the Black Belt to keep most of the voters there during the primary.

The urban areas will go for Davis in large numbers. The affluent white democratic voters in the cities should go for Davis like they did Obama.

 



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Artur is not Hillary (0.00 / 0)
Hillary and Bill Clinton have a solid reputation in the African American Community.  Their record on civil rights, human rights and labor rights  are impecable.  They were not considered pro-busness, pro-war, centrist, but progressive, flaming liberals.  Artur Davis is not Hillary.  So I wouldn't count on those dynamics if I were you. 

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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I grant you (4.00 / 1)

that Bill and Hillary Clinton have a solid reputation in the African American Community.

However Bill Clinton has been generally considered as more of a moderate centrist, than a progressive flaming liberal.



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


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Not sure Davis/Hillary is the right comparison (4.00 / 1)

HRC had the institutional support from the ADC and some big names in the African-American community, but still did not receive overwhelming support from African American voters.  Obama got those votes instead. 

In 2010, Davis may be more in the position of Obama, with the ADC supporting someone else, rather than in the position of Clinton 2008.  Can he garner tremendous African American support as Obama did?  That's the big question. 



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Clinton was to the right of Obama (4.00 / 3)

Especially when it came to business issues (think NAFTA).  In fact, it was Davis' high level membership in the Clintonite triangulating DLC that raised questions for me about him.

For me, it was Hillary Clinton's support for unfettered free trade and the War in Iraq that caused me to support someone else.  I do understand your comparison of her to Davis for that reason.

Davis' base will almost identical to Obama's in the Dem primary (blacks and urban whites), but I believe there will be more GOP business types supporting him in the Bham metro area than supported Obama.  Folsom will do well in north Alabama and among rural white Dems, but he will work the Black Belt hard for votes.  Davis is a good speaker but he will suffer from being compared to Obama, especially in the minds of black voters. 



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Bluebearcat, (4.00 / 2)

Thanks for your analysis!

if you get a chance, give a us diary on Lt. Gov. Folsom, his history, and why you will support him for governor if he runs.  Right now, Davis gets all the attention because he's the only one out there actively campaigning.

I'd like to see us have a number of diarists who follow a particular candidate closely and report on him/her throughout the campaign.

Mooncat and I can't be everywhere, and these trips to Birmingham are getting time consuming!  ;-)



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Gee. I don't hate Huntsville. Why do *you* hate Birmingham? (4.00 / 1)
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Of course, this makes me weep on so many different levels . . .  Selah.

bg
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I'm not sold on Davis ability to win statewide... (4.00 / 5)

not because of his race but because he seems to be primarily interested in serving the interests of the DLC/ BCA types.  He is an excellent speaker and obviously had an amazing educational pedigree but I still haven't step out on a limb for the cause of progress.  Jim Folsom put his political future on the line in this state when he endorsed Howard Dean in 2004.  He did the same when he took moved the Confederate flag off the state capital.  He has always been a friend of labor, something Davis cannot say for himself.

I will support the Dem nominee without reservation and should Folsom decide not to enter the race I will certainly support Davis, but right now I am not convinced that he will be any more of a truly progressive Democrat that fellow Montgomerian Bobby Bright.



Well, in a purely hypothetical, counting-chickens-before-theyre-hatched kind of a way (4.00 / 4)
If Davis steps down from congress, who is likely to run for his seat?  Any hope of a little more progressivity, if that's the word I want?

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


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Not counting chickens early (4.00 / 2)
Those chickens are pretty far along toward hatching, ever since noon today.  Davis is running for governor, which I believe means he's not running for re-election to Congress.

Work harder and work smarter!

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some thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Yes you would likely see some candidates who are willing to take more liberal positions on some issues.

 

I do have some info on two candidates that have been mentioned that will not be running. 

I did talk to former Davis staffer Corey Ealons who assured me that he would not be a candidate. He is working in some capacity with the Obama administration. Corey is a very straightforward guy who I've known for a long time and have a lot of respect for.  

State Rep. Merika Coleman who has been mentioned as a Candidate is interested in the State Senate seat vacated by E.B. McClain.

I've heard from reliable sources that Earl Hilliard Jr. will likely enter the race.

County Commissioner Shelia Smoot, the only mentioned candidate who was in attendance at Davis's announcement today, indicated she will run.  

Bobby Singleton - State Senator from Greensboro has been mentioned and from what I understand testing the waters.

I would doubt Rodger Smitherman gets in now that he has been named Senate Pro Tem.

 



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Folsom's accomplishments (4.00 / 2)

I really wish some of you folks who are very familiar with Jim Folsom, Jr.'s accomplishments -- which are quite considerable -- would consider putting together a diary or two to better introduce him to the rest of us.

By the way, we got quite a bit of video of Folsom's speech and the Q&A afterwards so watch for more on him this weekend. 



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Fist Dap bluebearcat. (4.00 / 1)
Fool me once....

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Good comment, on all levels. (4.00 / 2)
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 At the end of the day, we'll support the Nominee.  That's important to say, and believe, here at the start.  With that as a fundamental "given", we can then go forward and engage in informative and lively give-and-take about the pros-and-cons of various candidates and prospective candidates.

 bg
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I've been looking for you (4.00 / 2)
I am interested in more numbers in the 03 race by county. Democrats vs. republicans. This information may not be available but if it is, I hope you have it.

[ Parent ]
I keep trying to get you. Please see my post below. (4.00 / 1)


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Fundraising (4.00 / 3)
I do not know whether this is accurate. I just read that Davis can fundraise for Congress now. He can then donate that money to the National Governor's Association which will donate the funds to his gubernatorial campaign. If this is correct, Davis is doing just fine.

Davis can fundraise that is correct (4.00 / 2)

through his congressional campaign. I think it is a fine line on whether and how he can spend the money though.



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