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New Gubernatorial Polling from Davis Camp

by: mooncat

Tue Jan 27, 2009 at 16:07:51 PM CST


Artur Davis
  • Davis and Republicans are in a dead heat
  • Davis shows strength across racial lines 

Those are the headlines on a new poll of Alabama voters regarding the 2010 gubernatorial race.  The poll was commissioned by Congressman Artur Davis (D, AL-07) who is widely expected to be a candidate on the Democratic side.  The survey used random phone numbers -- landlines only -- and was conducted after the winter holidays but before the Inaugural events cranked up.  Kay Ivey, Bradley Byrne and Jack Hawkins were the only Republicans mentioned. 

Head to Head Matchups with Republicans 

BIRMINGHAM - In a survey of 600 Alabamians conducted from January 8-14, 2009, by the polling firm of Anzalone-Liszt Research Inc., U. S. Rep. Artur Davis (D-Bham) is locked in a statistical dead heat with three leading potential Republican candidates for Governor.  Davis is tied with State Treasurer Kay Ivey, 42 to 42 percent, leads Two Year College Chancellor Bradley Byrne 42 to 38 percent, and trails Troy University Chancellor Jack Hawkins 39 to 44 percent.

When asked, "In general, are you more likely to vote for a Democrat or a Republican for governor?" 33% said Democrat and 42% said Republican.  Notice that when Artur Davis is named as the candidate he polls 6 to 9 points better than a generic Democrat.  Interestingly, Hawkins is the only Republican mentioned who polled better than a generic Republican.  Anzalone characterized the 2010 gubernatorial race as "incredibly competitive" and noted that, whatever happens with federal races, Democrats in Alabama remain very competitive for statewide offices such as Gov., Lt. Gov., Attorney General and so forth. 

Look at the generic ballot numbers again for a moment.  33% would vote Democrat and 42% would vote Republican, leaving 25% in the "persuadable" category.  Anzalone says that is 8 points higher than for the presidential race last year.  For complex reasons, party is less important to Alabama voters in state elections than federal ones.  The fact that no Democratic presidential candidate has campaigned or advertised in Alabama in at least 3 election cycles (or is it 4?) unquestionably enters into it.  It's no good to sit on our hands and cry "the Alabama voters just don't like us;" we need to be out there asking for their votes every single election.  Showing up is a critical, but oft overlooked step.

Strength Across Racial Lines

 This finding is not the least bit surprising:

With black voters, Davis remains by a large margin the most popular political figure at the state political level.  Sixty-five percent of black voters hold a favorable opinion of Davis, while only four percent hold an unfavorable view.

Figure Davis will get about 90% of the black vote, but what about the "white vote?"  Every time the prospect of a Davis run is mentioned someone brings up the low support Barack Obama received from white voters in Alabama.  Remember, the widely quoted 10% figure is based on exit polls -- accuracy unknown.  This poll found that Davis runs ahead of the generic Democratic vote with white voters:

  • vs. Hawkins:  Davis is 9 points ahead of the core white Democratic vote
  • vs. Byrne:  Davis is 12 points ahead of the core white Democratic vote
  • vs. Ivey:  Davis is 11 points ahead of the core white Democratic vote

According to Davis' general consultant Ben Chao of Chao Strategy Message and Media Inc., "This poll basically says two important things. One, Congressman Davis can win a statewide campaign for Governor in 2010. Two, Davis has amazing crossover appeal from Republicans and Independents alike in a general election. Its still early but the electability metrics for Davis are through the roof."

Davis' overall popularity ratings with white voters are approximately two to one favorable, with a majority of whites knowing enough about Davis to have an opinion.  In comparison, Lt. Governor Jim Folsom also has a favorable to unfavorable ratio of about two to one with white voters. 

  • 51% of white Democrats view Davis favorably and only 6% view him unfavorably.
  • 41% of white males age 18 to 54 view him favorably vs. 16 % unfavorably.
  • 38% of white females over 55 view Davis favorably vs. 12% unfavorably.
  • Among whites age 45 to 54, 39% view Davis favorably, only a 5 points lower than the 44% who view Kay Ivey favorably.
mooncat :: New Gubernatorial Polling from Davis Camp

OK, fine.  But do these poll respondents realize Artur Davis is black?  Just in case, Anzalone-Liszt checked that, too: 

According to pollster John Anzalone, "While race is an impossible factor to evaluate in any campaign, it is fair to say that when white voters learn that Davis is black, that fact alone does not shift them away from Davis. On balance, when they are told that he is a black congressman from Birmingham, Davis' support actually moves up in a majority of the white subgroups based on gender and age."

Like Obama was the first serious African-American candidate to seek the presidency, Davis might be the first African-American with a serious chance at the Alabama governorship.  That fact alone can pique the interest of certain voters and inject energy into the race -- it certainly did for Obama.  Now for the question we have all asked and discussed so often when the subject of a Davis candidacy is raised:  Is Alabama ready to elect a black governor in 2010?  This survey asked that question and found that ...

A majority (51 percent) agree, while 38 percent disagree.  These results are virtually unchanged from the July sample, which split 53 percent agree to 37 percent disagree.


What about the folks who might not vote for a black candidate, but don't want to actually say that to a pollster?  Ask them about their family.  Apparently pollsters understand that however embarassed we are about our own racist attitudes, we're happy to rat out Uncle Joe Bob or our obnoxious brother-in-law.

Sixty-nine percent of voters overall say that they believe their family members would consider voting for a black candidate for governor, while 18 percent say that their family members would not be willing to consider voting for a black.

Very hopeful.  A similar poll in January 2008 found only 38% agreeing that Alabama was ready to elect a black governor in 2010, while 55% disagreed.  That was quite a shift from January to July of 2008.  What happened?  The Iowa caucuses for one thing, and that incredible, interminable primary fight between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that had both of them in our living rooms just about every evening from January through June.  Might that have prompted a few people to get more comfortable with black candidates in general?  Will an Obama presidency make voters even more comfortable with the idea of a black leader?  If he leads well, that's exactly what I expect.

The results of this survey are very positive for a Davis candidacy and give hope that Alabama is not as racially polarized as the common wisdom would have us believe.  At some point I'd like to see the pollsters include a more far-right Republican in the mix.  It's my belief that a Roy Moore type Republican won't fare as well as a moderate in 2010, but it would be interesting to see if a far right candidate affected the racial dynamics a bit.

 

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I understand why Moore isn't in the mix (4.00 / 2)

since he just started making noise about running,

But why leave out Tim James?  Hasn't he already announced?

That seems odd to me.  Either they think he's not worth worrying about or it might mean they view him as the strongest candidate and the one who could most easily beat Davis.

I'd have my doubts about that though.  Good heavens, one would think that Alabama would be done with the James family after his dad was Governor.  One of the first bumperstickers I remember as a kid had a date on it (can't remember what) but it was:

                           DATE HERE
                       FOB'S LAST DAY

And who could forget that "fabulous" slogan of his in 1998:

     ALABAMA NEEDS MORE FOB!

Hopefully, Tim hasn't hired the same PR group for his campaign.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




Someone asked that question (4.00 / 1)
And Anzalone said as a practical matter they don't like to include a long list of candidates in a survey -- people get tired of being asked the same questions over and over with just a different name.  So they limited it to the three they thought were strongest.  Troy King was mentioned too, but it's looking a bit iffy whether he'll even run in 2010.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Anazolene? (0.00 / 0)
Where have Iheard that name before?

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
Well, countrycat, let me tell you a story (4.00 / 1)

The first bumpersticker I remember after moving to Alabama in 1982, was:

PRO-RATE FOB IN 82!

Now, I know there were other candidates for governor back then...in fact, a co-worker told me that if it came down to "Wallace, or Beelzebub, I'd vote for Beelzebub"

When it came down to it, he voted for Beelzebub.  Well, at least it wasn't Wallace or Folmar...



Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


[ Parent ]
i missed the conference call on the poll today (4.00 / 2)
sounds like some good info. interesting that numbers against Folsom and Sparks were not released though. i know they had to poll it

Commissioned by Davis (4.00 / 2)

The poll was commissioned by Congressman Artur Davis (D, AL-07)...

Never trust a poll commissioned by the one who gains favorable information, whether republican or democrat, the person who commissions the poll and chooses the questions usually can skewer the results to show the results that he desires.



"Life is divided into three terms - that which was, which is, and which will be. Let us learn from the past to profit by the present, and from the present to live better in the future." - William Wordsworth

Thank You Very Much (4.00 / 1)

Polls and the polling pollsters who poll them.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
I'm thinking someone cropped my photo of Congressman Davis . . . (4.00 / 2)
.
. . . from the Democratic National Convention.

What do you think?

Good for him and good for Alabama.

bg
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I was thinking... (4.00 / 2)

"HEY!  I know that hallway!"

Given that the people behind him appear to be browsing through objects on several tables, I'll take the plunge and speculate that this photo was taken on Thursday morning in Denver at the Doubletree.....



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




[ Parent ]
I will second that plunge! (4.00 / 3)


Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

[ Parent ]
So that means... (4.00 / 2)
BenGoshi, with the camera, at the Doubletree is the winning combination?

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




[ Parent ]
Yes. There's one *great* one from that a.m. I've not yet posted... (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Sounds like a move from 'Clue" (4.00 / 2)


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


[ Parent ]
Guilty as charged (4.00 / 1)
I picked your photo in the hope that you wouldn't sue me for copyright violation. 

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Anzalone (4.00 / 2)

John Anzalone is the democratic pollster who has crossed over and is the pollster and adviser of Todd Strange, the republican running for Mayor of Montgomery. I knew he would be doing Davis' polling and consulting. The one thing I know about Ben Chao is his lack of knowledge of rural Alabama. His ads are good but lack a kind of homespun appeal. He has served Davis well in the past, but in Birmingham only.

I too am surprised that no other democrats were mentioned when there is no question they were included, especially Folsom. 

 



Polling (4.00 / 1)

I can easily believe Anzalone-Liszt may have asked additional questions in this survey and their customer (Davis) did not choose to release the results for those questions.  That's just smart politics.  You release the information that furthers your narrative and make someone else pay for poll results that don't further your narrative.

So there may be more information than was released publicly, but I don't think the information Davis made public is "fixed" in any way.  Anzalone-Liszt is a very reputable outfit and I don't believe they fudge the numbers or fudge the questions.  It would come back to bite them in the very near future if they did it.  If they say the generic ballot is 33-42 this month, within some margin of error, that's probably very close.  Ditto that right now, before the campaigning really gets started, Davis is polling neck and neck with those three Republicans.  All three of those match-ups are within the margin of error, btw.

Finally, to those who pointedly remarked that this poll was paid for by the candidate -- well, most of the polls in Alabama are.   There will be a handful of media outlet polls much closer to the election, but who is going to pony up the bucks for head to head matchups this far out?  Over at DKos they're doing regular polling of various races and releasing all the data, including the internals.  That's a great service but it takes a certain revenue stream.  It would be nice to have something like that in Alabama because there just aren't many reliable public polls in our state.



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Significance of early polling (4.00 / 3)

February 21, 2007 - Giuliani Tops Clinton In 2008 Presidential Race, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Republican Runs Strong In Red, Blue And Purple States 
 
Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani leads Sen. Hillary Clinton 48 - 43 percent among American voters in a 2008 national presidential poll released by Quinnipiac University today.... 
 
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1019

Conventional wisdom in 2007 was that the presidential race would be between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Rudi Giuliani. Polls this early are exercises in futility, especially when the one doing the polling cherry picks the opponents that they poll themselves against.

 



"Life is divided into three terms - that which was, which is, and which will be. Let us learn from the past to profit by the present, and from the present to live better in the future." - William Wordsworth

Excellent point. Thing is, that swath of Americans surveyed in the Q Poll you cite... (4.00 / 2)
.
 . . . had little idea who Barack Obama was and were even less acquainted with Giuliani's penchant for cross-dressing.  O.K., o.k., for my money it was as much Giuliani's freakish, obsessive embrace (even tighter than McCain's infamous one) of Bush and All Things Bush that doomed him.  

 Whatever the reason(s), my point is that in February 2007 Americans knew very few of the variables and twists that would weigh-into to decisions (campaign organization is another huge one) that put Obama on top on the Democratic side (and, eventually, in the general election) and McCain on top with the GOP (going down in flames when he punted his "Maverickyness", had nothing new to offer re  the tanking Bush/GOP economy, and picked the Imbecile from Alaska to be One Heartbeat from the Presidency).

 The question, then, is begged:  are Alabamians "in the dark" to the same degree now about our current and prospective candidates for Governor '10 as Americans in general were about the '08 Presidential contenders in February 2007?  I don't think so, but I certainly admit that I could be wrong on this.

 bg
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When choosing a canditate to vote for (4.00 / 1)

I consider their character, their stance on issues, and their record.

I don’t consider whether or not they exhibit charisma, their physical appearance, race, gender, political party or their campaign rhetoric (unless their rhetoric is in conflict with what I know about them).

I realize there’ll always be some people who vote based on things I don’t even consider and who don’t know much about the candidates, but hopefully they will be vastly outnumbered by informed voters whose vote is based on things that matter.

 



"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...."      Hosea 4:6

Good things to base your vote on, driq (0.00 / 0)

I firmly believe that the more informe voters are, the better our government will work.  Unfortunately in Alabama there is a history of campaigns using divisive issues to manipulate the voters and we probably aren't past that yet.  As long as it works it will be hard to ever get past it.

And regarding polls, campaigns have to do internal polling to identify their vulnerabilities as well as their strengths. 



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Regarding Polls (4.00 / 1)
I believe campaigns use polls to manipulate public opinion.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
Hmmm, manipulating public opinion ... (0.00 / 0)

Is that not part of the process of getting elected?  Otherwise known as influencing people.  I don't see it as anything sinister unless they're putting out lies. 

Just saying. 



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[ Parent ]
I guess it depends on what the meanig of sinister IS. (4.00 / 1)
Is it sinister to use polls to influence people to vote for you?

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
No, it is not; no more than using TeeVee ads or yard signs (4.00 / 1)

As mooncat said, only if the information given out is false or misleading.  Why would it be? It is politics, for goodness sake,  although I admit goodness has little to do with politics.

In small constituencies, the only polls out there are candidate-genrated, and of course they will emphasize the good news and downplay the bad news. Remember I am not an Artur Davis fan particularly, but I would say the same no matter who the candidate was.



Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

[ Parent ]
Then I guess it depends on what the definition of "false and misleading information" IS (4.00 / 1)
Is it false and misleading information to poll a small sample of people and claim the results represent the majority of the people?  Is it false or misleading information to publish poll results with raw numbers and raw data?

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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There is nothing false about this Anzalone-Liszt poll (0.00 / 0)

They polled 600 people in Alabama, using random phone numbers.  Opinion polling is a science (with a little art thrown in) and there is a very sound basis for extrapolating results from a relatively small sample of people. 

 



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
600 People in Alabama (4.00 / 1)

How many women?

How many men?

How many under the age of 40?

How many women under the age of 40?

How many men under the age of 40?

How many over the age of 65?

How many women 65 and over?

How many men 65 and over?

How many African Americans?

How many African Americans 40 and under?

How many Republicans?

How many Democrats?

How many Idependents?

What where the questions?

Chosen randomly from what source?  Phone Book?  Voter rolls?

Raw Data.

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
Polling Bias (0.00 / 0)

Per Wikepedia;

The wording of a poll can include bias, as the bias can be in the opinion. For instance, the public is more likely to indicate support for a person who is described by the operator as one of the "leading candidates". This support itself overrides subtle bias for one candidate, as is lumping some candidates in an "other" category or vice versa. 21st century Polling arms variate in complexity due to these circumstances.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Pay for the poll and you'll get the raw data (0.00 / 0)

As DKos does.  My impression is that they adjusted to match the demographics of the state, even if 19 to 26 year old voters were undersampled, just for example.  That's commonly done and quite aboveboard.  We have some polling experts here who may correct me, but I believe 600 people is a good sized sample.  Seems to me some polls last year were based on 400 or 450 people in Alabama.

Dear Redeye, please believe me when I say this is a reputable polling outfit, not some fly-by-nite guy with 3 phone lines in a portable trailer selling poll results to order.  And the numbers were randomly generated from within Alabama, including both listed and unlisted numbers, but not cell phones.



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
I don't doubt they are reputable mooncat (0.00 / 0)
I just doubt polls.  It is my opinion they are used to manipuate public opinion.  Pay for the poll you get the data.  Polls and the Polling Pollsters who Poll them.

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
One point (4.00 / 1)
One of the things that I read in the polling information was that of the people who said they would vote for Davis, when informed that he was black, very few people admitted that the color of his skin would make a difference. I find that interesting for two reasons. It's still Alabama, where only 10% of white people voted for Obama, and no one is going to admit that they wouldn't vote for a person because of the color of his skin, so you have to wonder how honest the people were who didn't know he was black but then said it wouldn't make a difference.

"Life is divided into three terms - that which was, which is, and which will be. Let us learn from the past to profit by the present, and from the present to live better in the future." - William Wordsworth

[ Parent ]
In a perfect world, that would work. (4.00 / 1)
But determining one's character is usually done largely by studying the rhetoric, and is usually influenced by the charisma.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

[ Parent ]
Back to the poll (4.00 / 3)

I think this poll is very interesting and a strong rebuttal to the "Davis can't win" clique- ie Joe Turnham, Joe Reed, Joe Fine. While I agree  that any polling this early only says so much, friends of mine in Montgomery have told me that at least two other major polls in the last few months that Davis did not pay for actually show him running better. That in both polls, he led Hawkins, Ivey, Byrne, James, and Bonner.

 I continue to maintain that some Folsom allies have seized on the electability issue to try to dry up Davis' support or to dissuade him from running all together. They certainly seem to have failed on the keep him out front and I have heard from several places that both the leading Obama fundraisers in the state and the leading Clinton fundraiser in the state have both signed on to Davis. 

 I look forward to a Davis/ Folsom race which I think will be good for the party and for the record, I think either one of them can and will win.



good info (4.00 / 2)

I agree that it should be a  strong rebuttal. While it is certainly a good fundraising piece, I'm not sure it will satisfy or hush up the detractors. 

Folsom is at more of a disadvantage that people think if he depends on the traditional Democratic leadership.



[ Parent ]
Traditional Democratic leadership (4.00 / 2)
Weren't they solidly behind Lucy Baxley in 2006?  And she lost by about 16 points.  Granted, it's tougher to run against an incumbent, but any Democrat who wants to win in 2010 needs to expand their base of support outside the "traditonal Democratic leadership." 

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
What Detractors? (4.00 / 3)

Interesting comments, but I haven't heard/read any of the Joe's (Turnham, Reed, or Fine) say that Artur "can't win"? In fact when I asked Joe Reed about it sometime ago he flat out told me that Artur SHOULD run! He said that to me twice in a group of people so your comment that they don't want him to run is wayyy off base.

If you really want to find some detractors talk to some of the Democratic state Legislators who fear a Davis led ticket in November may lead to a Republican takeover in the Statehouse!

On another note polls are just snapshots at a particular moment in time. I'm glad that Artur is doing well in the polls that he releases (would he release it if he weren't doing well?). I think this bodes for a good primary if the Folsom people ever wakeup & realize that campaign has already started...



[ Parent ]
Davis has them running scared for some reason (4.00 / 1)

Oh goodness... VIP... keep your ear to the ground.  There's all kinds of muttering that Davis "can't win" would "split the party" would "destroy the party" etc. etc.  Every doomsday scenario except an asteroid hitting Montgomery seems to be floating about.

Check out my earlier report of an anti-Davis email circulating throughout the state.  In a lot of cases, it's just a whispering campaign, nobody on the record, or fudged statistics.

Makes you think that some of these guys are really scared of facing Davis in a primary.

I think this bodes for a good primary if the Folsom people ever wakeup & realize that campaign has already started... 

I agree.  We could have a great primary with discussion of issues, compare and contrast candidates and their stances and it would be great for the party.

I'll be glad when they all get with the program and start the campaign.  I don't have a candidate yet, and won't pick one until we know who is running and what their platform is.

We pretty much know for sure that Davis is running, and that's why he's the target right now.  But, with a full field of great candidates, it should be a terrific primary campaign.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




[ Parent ]
Welcome aboard VIP! (4.00 / 1)

User number 805 -- who knew?

The Folsom people definitely need to wake up and realize the campaign has already started.  That sort of touches on one of my reservations about Jim Folsom; I worry he's still running like it's 1994.  The Alabama Democratic Party heirarchy -- and Folsom is part of the heirarchy from my point of view -- doesn't seem to have wrapped their heads around the notion that the campaign season doesn't begin 3 months before the primary anymore. 

Will Folsom have a major online presence?  Will he use non-traditional methods to reach out to and communicate with voters?  I don't see anything to make me hopeful he will. 



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
The poll (4.00 / 2)

IMO has nothing to do with the Democratic Primary. It was done and released for 2 reasons:

1 - To rebut those (particularly the Folsom people) who are trying to convince everyone Davis, if elected in the Demo primary, couldn't win a general election and

2 - Most importantly, convince the big dogs who supply the millions of dollars  needed to run for Governor that Davis can win. He needs those folks convinced quickly to get their money in the primary.



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


[ Parent ]
It has nothing to do with the Democratic primary (0.00 / 0)
And it has everything to do with the Democratic primary.  Your points (1 and 2) are key milestones on Davis' path to the Democratic nomination.  If he fails to do either one his chance of success falls dramatically.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Paul Hubbert rumor (4.00 / 2)

Although he's seventy five I think. There seems to be a rumbling that Dr. Hubbert might run. I seriously doubt it but wanted to see if anyone else had gotten that info.

 



That's new to me (4.00 / 1)
Sometimes I think we should have put him in the governor's office when he ran in 1994.  I don't say that out of any particular liking for Dr. Hubbert, but it might have prevented him from using his considerable talents to continue building such a strong power structure that works to the benefit of only one segment of Alabama, rather than the state as a whole.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Davis v. Folsom poll (4.00 / 1)
or others. just for fun. doesn't cost anything for me to run. very un-scientific though

http://www.polldaddy.com/p/132...


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