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Cheney Visit - Does This Math Work For You?

by: mooncat

Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 22:39:25 PM CDT


A Birmingham News story by Jeff Hansen and Michael Tomberlin starts off with this information about Dick Cheney's recent visit:

Republican leaders said they raised $125,000 to $150,000 Friday with a luncheon at Shoal Creek Golf and Country Club where Vice President Dick Cheney was the special guest.

About 100 guests paid $500 each to attend, and several paid $2,000 per couple to have their photographs taken with the vice president, said Mike Hubbard, chairman of the state Republican Party.

Does that math work for you?  100 guests times $500 each equals $50,000.  They only say that "several" paid $2000 per couple for the photo op.  Several is a loose term, but I don't think it stretches to the 37 to 50 couples needed to make up the difference between that $50,000 and the "$125,000 to $150,000 raised."

I have another question about the amount raised.  Assuming Cheney really did bring in $125,000, is that gross or net?  Because there were some expenses, you know.  Did Shoal Creek Country Club donate the space and the lunch?  Surely the Republican Party had to pay for that out of the receipts.  What about the Alabama state trooper escorting the motorcade or the Birmingham police and Jefferson County sheriff's deputies who blocked adjoining roads?  What about the cost of feeding Blue Moon barbeque to the 75 people who remained on Cheney's plane while he was at the Country Club?  In fact, what about the cost of flying Cheney and that huge entourage down here for a fundraiser? 

That stuff isn't free and I hope we aren't going to be told that the taxpayers picked up the tab for all that.  Cheney didn't conduct official government business while he was here -- this was a political fundraising trip and the taxpayers should not foot the bill.

A couple of weeks ago, President Bush dropped in for a fundraiser in Atlanta to benefit the campaign of Republican Rick Goddard.  Goddard's campaign ended up paying a portion of the travel costs. 

The flight to and from Georgia was the only trip on Bush's Tuesday agenda, which prompted Marshall, Goddard's opponent, to suggest that his Republican opponent pick up the entire cost of the presidential visit.

Vice President Dick Cheney flew to Macon for a Goddard fund-raiser last month. Douglas Moore, a spokesman for Marshall, said such visits cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

"These things are wrong. Rick knows it. This is a character issue," Moore said.

Baker said the Goddard campaign will write a check for $40,000 to the Republican National Committee, which will use that money to reimburse the federal government.

"We're in full compliance with federal law that's been in place for 30 or more years," Baker said.

Goddard's campaign also paid the RNC $15,000 (which was supposed to be forwarded to the federal government) when Cheney came to Macon for a fundraiser in June.

Congressional hopeful Rick Goddard's campaign shows a $15,000 payment to the Republican National Committee to help pay for the trip, which undoubtedly cost much more than that.

...

Federal regulations require that a campaign pay the equivalent of a first-class airline ticket for each campaign traveler on a flight - meaning people deemed to be traveling with the president or vice president for a political reason and not an official one.

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The Government Accountability Office, which investigates federal spending on behalf of Congress, studied the presidential and vice presidential travel for a 2000 report that focused on the cost of foreign travel. That remains the latest GAO report on the issue, according to a GAO spokeswoman in Washington. The study put the cost of operating C-32 jet airplanes like the one Cheney flew on to Macon last month at about $14,000 an hour, in 1999 dollars.

That doesn't include the federal government's security costs, the cost of getting the vice president's limousine to a location or the local security costs.

Aaron Schock's campaign also paid travel expenses when Bush visited Peoria on his behalf last month.  The total amount was not revealed.

Is the Alabama Republican Party reimbursing taxpayers -- both federal and local -- for the expense of bringing Cheney to Birmingham for a fundraiser?  Has anyone asked them to do so or is it just assumed that because it's Alabama, no one minds?  

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A C-32 is a government-customized Boeing 757. (4.00 / 3)

The Boeing 757 is a large narrow body plane (one aisle, 3 seats on each side, pretty darn long).  You can lease one for about $10,000/hr (2004 price).  No doubt, for service carrying the President or Vice President, a lot of communications equipment is added, as well as a certain level of luxury.  So the $14,000/hr in 1999 dollars (assuming 1999 jet fuel prices, too) is probably the right ball park.

So, you have to figure the airplane was tied up at least 6 hr that day - 1.5 hr each way to DC, plus prep time before they left, plus time on the ground in Alabama (2.5 hr).  6 x $14,000 gets you to $84,000 to fly Cheney down here for no government business.  That does not even consider the cost of airlifting his 18-vehicle motorcade (including ambulance) from DC to Alabama and back.

84 grand is a pretty big in-kind contribution from the Federal government to the Alabama Republican Party. 

I guess we had Federal funding of campaigns after all, we just didn't realize it was for Republicans only. 



Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams


we've got to keep this Cheney stuff going (0.00 / 0)

 

It's free mileage. We should do letters to the editors on the issue of who funded the trip. It's not like the Birmingham News will publish anything I write though.

I did a diary earlier today on the BBQ joint being sworn to secrecy. More tongue in cheek than any gonzo journalism

http://www.progressiveelectorate.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=188

*let's keep the Chase Cheney thing going also.



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Jay Love (0.00 / 0)
In case you had any doubts, Jay Love (R seeking election in AL-02) attended the Cheney fundraiser.  No word on whether he paid the premium for the photo-op, but I'll bet his picture was taken with Cheney anyway.

Work harder and work smarter!

Excellent post, Mooncat... (4.00 / 2)

This has brought up questions I'd never even thought about. Nice little investigative post. And to think, you were supposed to be on hiatus doing some gardening this weekend!

 -- Benji @ fishbowlamerica.com

PS: Why can I get my rosemary to grow? I'm not overwatering, and its getting plenty of sun. Granted, I tried to grow them from seed. My seedling... is like... my pinky finger. Eh. 

 

 



the truth shall set you free

Rosemary problems? (4.00 / 1)

We had the same issue this year, and finally realized that it was getting TOO much sun.  Which I didn't think was possible for Rosemary.

We had ours in big pots, so I moved them to an area that's shaded during midday, but gets morning and afternoon soon.  It started growing much better and is happier.  Don't know if it's just the variety we grew this year, the heat, or what.  But give that a try.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Rosemary from seed is tough (0.00 / 0)
All I would add is that you need to be using soil that doesn't hold moisture a long time.  If you're using bagged soil something sandy like cactus mix will give much better results than regular potting soil or the new "moisture control" mixes that store water -- I just killed a rosemary potted in one of those.  Otherwise just some nice light garden soil -- mix in some sand if it's heavy.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
I'm Like You, Plainsman (4.00 / 1)

I don't have even a tint of green in either of my thumbs. My tomatoes are far and few between and the ones that do ripen are about the size of golf balls. I've watered, fertilized and given them plenty of sun. What more do they need? Mood music?

BTW, I do have a green thumb when it comes to growing squash, though. I've seriosly considered growing nothing BUT squash and getting the rest of my veggies from roadside stands.



~I'm outta here!!!

"Is this net or gross?" (4.00 / 1)

Please Mooncat.  Everything about Cheney is  oooh, so gross!  I agree with all that has been written about this trip.  We must keep the public's attention on where the money came from.  Is this a taxpayer supported fundraiser?  I'm willing to bet on it, but I would like to know for sure.  I put nothing past "His mother named him Richard but that's not why we call him Dick".

 



Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

remember what happened (4.00 / 2)

when we found out the comparative prices Dems and Republicans paid for renting the Homewood City Hall. Here is the link

We've got to draw attention to this and hope that our questions are answered and if they are not to our liking then the taxpayers are going to be pretty pissed off at the Republican Party.



Here is what I think happened (4.00 / 1)

Originally the Cheney Event was billed as being for the Alabama Republican Congressional Delegation. Then towards the day of the event it was being promoted as for the Alabama Republican Party.

We are not even sure which Republican Officeholders were at the event. My feeling is that they did that so nobody would have to show the expenditure on their report. The realized that showing that like Goddard and Schock would be potentially a landmine for their challengers. Cheney is not really all that popular anywhere right now.

I asked someone with Republican ties and they said that it was their belief Republican donors paid for the event. That being said the Republican Party would not have to show specifically who donated for the costs of the event.



Fuzzy Math and Tax Payer Funded GOP Campaigns (4.00 / 1)
What Bush and Dick do is schedule a "public" event and a "private event" to justify the tax dollar expenditures. 

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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There was no public event (0.00 / 0)
Unless they're trying to count the wave as he stepped off the airplane as a "public" event.  This was a private fundraiser for the Republican party and the taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill.  That's the law speaking, not mooncat.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
No public event? (4.00 / 1)

Well good luck with getting the Republican party of foot the bill.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
$125,000 to $391 (0.00 / 1)

Huge success guys!

What's that break down to $1 a post on this subject?

Keep up the good work.

 



Do better.

Dale, I have to say you were right - mooncat

You're an entertainer son! -Parker Griffith


Is That All You Have To Do? (0.00 / 0)

You add nothing to this blog other than criticism. Is there a reason that you're here? Does it not bother you that an elected official can fly all over the country at taxpayer expense, including YOUR taxes, and basically thumb his nose at all campaign finance laws?

 What a stupid question. Of course it doesn't bother you. Your republican party has been openly flaunting any and all laws they feel like flaunting since Bush was appointed president by the republican-friendly Supreme Court in 2000. If you don't even have to be duly elected to an office, why should you feel the need to follow the laws, rules and regulations that you put your hand on a Bible and swore to uphold? Right?



~I'm outta here!!!

[ Parent ]
I do haveother things to do... (0.00 / 0)

But I can do this and that at the same time.

Did this really turn into a "Bush stole the election" conversation? 

My turn...

"Clinton lied under oath."

Lame.



Do better.

Dale, I have to say you were right - mooncat

You're an entertainer son! -Parker Griffith


[ Parent ]
125k profit? (0.00 / 0)

don't think so. not with all the expenses that they are going to have to pay.

$391 will continue to grow. just watch and learn. also, that money was just being raised for segall. we weren't raising for every Alabama Republican. This was their equivalent of our JJ Dinner where we probably raised an equal amount.

 



[ Parent ]
???? for Moderator (4.00 / 1)
Is there an ignore feature on this blog?

~I'm outta here!!!

[ Parent ]
There is a rating feature (1.00 / 1)

Which can accomplish the same end as an ignore feature.  Down at the bottom of the comment, to the right of "Reply" you should see a little box.  If you haven't rated the comment, the word "none" appears in the box.  To rate it, click on the down arrow to see a menu of options from "Troll" to "Excellent."  Select accordingly.  If enough trusted users rate a comment as "Troll" it will disappear.

We're a community moderated site and those ratings are how the community can decide what should and should not appear here.  I've noticed that very few people use the ratings -- not sure why.  I put them there for a purpose.



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Probably Like eBay (0.00 / 0)
A lot of people don't negatively rate people on eBay because of the retaliatory negative ratings that they then get from the person they negatively flag. I do use the positive ratings a lot on here, but probably not as much as I should. I get involved in a thread and basically forget to rate the post that I read and enjoy or comment on.

~I'm outta here!!!

[ Parent ]
How progressive of you... (0.00 / 1)
Stick your fingers in your ears and say, "lalalalallallalalalalalllalalalalalalalallalala, I don't agree, I don't want to hear it, tell me what I already believe, lalalalalallalalalalalalalalalallalalalalalalalalalal"

Do better.

Dale, I have to say you were right - mooncat

You're an entertainer son! -Parker Griffith


[ Parent ]
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