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Alabama for Obama!

by: mooncat

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:08:30 AM CST


What's the story out of the Democratic primary in Alabama -- besides Obama 56%, Clinton 42%?

  

Turnout among Alabama Democrats was HUGE.  With a few boxes still out, 521,088 votes had been cast in the Democratic primary.  That compares with 218,574 cast in 2004 and 278,527 in the 2000 Democratic primary -- more than twice as many Democratic voters as 4 years ago.

Winners and Losers

I just came from a post election party and one of the Obama foot soldiers (all winners) there told me he felt extremely gratified that the voters turned out for them.  He also said he was incredibly tired.  The Obama supporters (mostly volunteers) worked their tails off in Alabama and it sounds like a lot of the credit goes to the New South Coalition.  That's the predominately black Democratic organization that endorsed Barack Obama in December.  The older and more powerful (still?) Alabama Democratic Conference under the leadership of Joe Reed endorsed Hillary Clinton back in October when Reed said  "America is readier to elect a white woman than it is a black man."  This is a big loss for Joe Reed and the establishment wing of the Democratic party in Alabama, from the top down.  They pulled out all the stops, used all their influence and weren't able to deliver the votes for Hillary Clinton. 

And once again, the polls didn't predict this.  No recent poll had Obama leading Clinton by more than 2%, yet it looks like he will carry the state by double digits.  Last week Rep. Artur Davis pointed out that the pollsters' likely voter screens were excluding people who had not voted in a primary recently, but that those people were going to come out and vote for Barack Obama.  Valid point.  You can add Artur Davis to the list of Super Tuesday winners -- he had the courage to back Obama early, he worked hard for him and Alabama Democrats validated his judgement at the ballot box.

Delegates, not % determine the winner

How does the delegates race shape up?  Using Congressional district results from al.com, I've made a good faith attempt at calculating the delegate breakdown.

  • CD1:  4 delegates, Obama 59%, Clinton 37% - 2 delegates each
  • CD2:  4 delegates, Obama 57%, Clinton 41% - 2 delegates each
  • CD3:  5 delegates, Obama 56%, Clinton 42% - 3 delegates Clinton Obama, 2 Obama Clinton
  • CD4:  5 delegates, Clinton 73%, Obama 22% - 4 delegates Clinton, 1 Obama
  • CD5:  5 delegates, Clinton 51%, Obama 46% - 3 delegates Clinton, 2 Obama
  • CD6:  4 delegates, Clinton 49%, Obama 49%. 2 delegates each
  • CD7:  7 delegates, Obama 72%, Clinton 26%  - 5 delegates Obama, 2 Clinton

Total pledged district level delegates:  18 17 Clinton, 16 17 Obama 

  • Of the 11 at-large pledged delegates awarded based on primary vote,  I think Obama will get 7 and Clinton 4.
  • Of the 7 pledged Party Leader and Elected Official delegates, I think Obama will get 4 and Clinton 3.

Which leaves Clinton with 25 24 delegates and Obama with 27 28.  All assuming that I understand the rules, my math is correct and the late returns don't change the numbers too much. 

Of course, there are 8 unpledged "superdelegates" who can vote for anyone they please at the convention, being totally free to ignore the wishes of Alabama voters.  Think about how that would make voters feel.  Can you say "disenfranchised?"

This race thing

The media narrative is already focusing on the racial disparity, and Alabama Democrats shouldn't ignore that.

In the Democratic race, about half of the voters were black, and Obama won more than 80 percent of their votes. The Illinois senator also took nearly two-thirds of the votes from people under 30, who made up more than one in 10 voters.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York won more than 70 percent of the white vote, versus about 20 percent for Obama — continuing a racial divide that appeared recently in South Carolina and Florida. She fared particularly well among people 60 and older.

Racism is an open wound in Alabama and we'd better deal with it.  It isn't Barack Obama's problem or Hillary Clinton's problem, it's our problem.  When only 20% of white Democrats in Alabama are willing to vote for a black candidate on the same night that 43% of white voters across the line in Georgia do so, it tells me we still have some issues with race.  Barack Obama carried Alaska, Kansas, Utah, North Dakota and Idaho tonight.  There aren't a lot of people of color living in those states.  White people there supported Obama.  We need to take a look in the mirror and ask ourselves why those folks are willing to back a black man for president, but 80% of us aren't.

 

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CD3 - 3 delegates Obama, 2 delegates Clinton (4.00 / 1)
that makes it 17-17 using your projections

Thanks, fixed it (0.00 / 0)


Work harder and work smarter!

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Alabama for Obama (4.00 / 1)
I heard Howard Dean say that more than 100,000 more Democrats than Republicans voted in Alabama. So who won Alabama?  We all did. Congratulations to Obama and his supporters.  What does this say about Artur Davis' influence statewide?

A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead  


voter turnout (4.00 / 1)
sorry norm, your a dreamer. GOP voters = 553,954 and your great party = 535,240 (99% reporting and i don't think the 1% is going to over come that 18,000 vote difference) - please don't kid yourself and listen to talking heads and spin when there is proof and real numbers.  You only make yourself look even more jaded than usual. 

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Alabama for Obama (4.00 / 1)
Wow!  Cooper, You may be right.  So, in a bright red state like Alabama, the GOP drew 18,000 more votes? I think, even if the person I quoted was wrong, the point is made.  It will not be happy time in the GOP in November.

A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead  


nice back track (4.00 / 1)
sure were proud of that when you posted! nice back track though -

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Hillary made more sense to me (4.00 / 2)

There's no doubt that racism still exists, but to vote for someone just because of the color of their skin is pretty shallow. 

A white majority of Alabama Democrats just demonstrated that they can elect a black man when James Fields was elected to House District 12 in Cullman County two weeks ago  - because he was the qualified candidate - with 59% of the vote in a 97% white county. 

If Hillary supporters are like me, they voted for her because, after thorough investigation, they preferred her solutions to our nation's problems over Barack's solutions.  

Your comment that "those folks are willing to back a black man for president, but 80% of us aren't" is like saying you're not patriotic unless you vote Republican, or saying you're not voting for Hillary because Bill couldn't keep it in his pants.

Left in Alabama has a reputation for intelligent discussion.  You dropped the ball here. 



If Barack Voters are like me (0.00 / 0)

They voted for him because after a "thorough investigation", we believe Obama is the best candidate to whup McCain/Huckabee.

14.4 million Democrats voted yesterday

8.7 Republicans voted yesterday 

Americans are sick and tired of the GOP.

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if most rational people are like me (0.00 / 0)
they are screaming at you...what ya said was that 100,000 more democrats voted than republicans IN ALABAMA.  And you are yet to say "yeah, my bad that was wrong".  It was very wrong (by negative 120,000 votes) and it shows you're so far in the koolaid that you can not form a rational thought that doesn't paint the AEA/Democratic Party in a non-favorable light.  "Americans are sick and tired of the GOP" - that is the broadest statement i have heard on a blog and frankly discredits this entire site. 

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Cooper, there is something wrong with your eyes (0.00 / 0)

normboyd40 made the 100,000 voter comment above.  Maybe he hasn't grovelled to your satisfaction, but I got the definite impression that he admitted error.

You are now talking to Redeye, a completely different person, who had nothing to do with the earlier remark.  Please note that more than one person blogs here.

We criticize the Democratic party, Joe Reed, Paul Hubbart,  and Joe Turnham pretty often, along with other prominent Democrats and Democratic candidates.  As for "Americans are sick and tired of the GOP," I think the 2006 midterm election was a big hint to the Republican party that Americans are fed up with them.  Look at this from Gallup last November:

 

Favorability of Political Party by Political Attitudes
(April to November 2007 aggregate)

 

The Democratic Party

The Republican Party

 

Favorable

Unfavorable

Favorable

Unfavorable

 

%

%

%

%

Republicans

16

80

86

11

Independents

47

40

33

55

Democrats

91

6

9

87

or this from a WaPo/ABC poll, also last fall:

8. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of (ITEM)?

11/1/07 - Summary Table

Favorable Unfavorable No opinion
a. The Republican Party 39 56 5
b. The Democratic Party 51 45 5

Granted, they didn't actually ask "are you sick and tired," but the dissatisfaction with Republicans is clear.



Work harder and work smarter!

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sincere (0.00 / 0)
apologies for the oversight in the poster, redeye my mistake.  my point is simply this, yours unlike any other alabama blog, does not EVER admit any error or mistake made by a democrat.  For an example, no one has questioned lodmell's discretion, but rather continued to allow and promote.  Although innocent until proven guilty, i'm not sure that this is something i would associate.  It merely exposes and undermines your credibilty - as does the affirmation, and i say this because i'm the only one who cared to investigate and expose, of NORMBOYD's 100,000 comment - and your sarcasm that "redeye isn't the only one that posts here" is duly noted - typical as it is...oh, and your first table is a statistical deadheat, so no advantage given

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Way to change the subject (0.00 / 0)

For the record, if you hadn't pointed out Howard Dean's error to normboyd40, I would have mentioned it since I looked up the turnout figures last night.  You got there first.  Thanks for proofreading. 

I fail to see how 47% of independents view the Democratic party in a favorable light vs. 33% of independents view the Republican party in a favorable light is a "statistical deadheat (sic)."  If you actually follow the link and look at the historical data, you will see that the favorable ratings of the two parties are quite far apart right now.  Here's a pic so you don't even have to click on the link.

 



Work harder and work smarter!

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Hey Cooper, (4.00 / 1)

This is redeye, speaking only for redeye. I for one don't care about Lodmells' alleged "discretion" (did you mean to say indiscretion?) because I believe his arrest is a right wing media made WEAPON of MASS DISTRACTION.  Lodmell has said the truth will come to light, I'm waiting for the truth.  BTW,Republican Senator Larry Craig is  still serving in the Senate after pleading guilty to solitictating a male under cover police office in the men's bathroom at the Minneapolis airport and Republican Congressman David Vitter was using the services of the D.C. Madame and a New Orleans Madame and is still serving in the Congress. Are you "associated" with them?  Did they make a mistake?  Did you forgive them?  

When I made the statement that most Americans are sick and tired of the GOP I based it on the fact that 14 million Americans turned out to vote for Democrats Democratic primary on Tuesday.  I have to assume that the 8.4 million Republican voters like all war all the time, debts as far as the eye can see, spying on the American people without a warrant, Scooter Libby Justice and Heck of a Job responses to natural disasters. 

Most Americans are also sick and tired of 43 million uninsured Americans, most of them children, and the deplorable condition of our public schools.  Most Americans are sick and tired of the millions of Americans that live in poverty. Most Americans are sick and tired of our Justice system being used for political gain. 

I can understand the GOP trying to "spin" away a bad week for their party.  An African American Democrat won in a 98% white county that was considered a Republican stronghold.  Barack Obama, also an African American carried the Reddest of the Red States in the Democratic primary, State Senator Charles Bishop was stripped of his comittee assignments and reprimanded for punching one of his fellow Legislators.    Not to mention the fact another Republican Legislator was involved in a knock down drag out in a Community College parking lot and almost lost his ear. 

 

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



[ Parent ]
If Bush can lie, why can't I? (4.00 / 1)
normboyd40 made a mistake, he didn't purposefully tell a lie.  But if he had lied on purpose he would only been following the path of that GOP wonder-monkey, George Bush.  

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still better than voting for the most evil.

If Bush can lie, why can't jonwil (or normboyd40) (0.00 / 0)
I'd say neither of you can get the Supreme Court to declare you President.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Pledged Delegates Obama 27- Clinton 25 (unofficial) (0.00 / 0)

17-17

At large Obama gets 6, Clinton gets 5

Party leaders/Elected officials Obama gets 4, Clinton gets 3

so Obama 27, Clinton 25

One unpledged delegate elected by SDEC on 3-1-08

Seven unpledged superdelegates

Bud Cramer, Artur Davis, Joe Turnham, Nancy Worley, Joe Reed, Yvonne Kennedy, Rev. Randy Kelly

 



better tell the super delegates (0.00 / 0)
to watch their backs, clintons have a way of leaving bodies in their wake...adios liberals.  the rest of us work for a living.

[ Parent ]
LOL (0.00 / 0)

no bodies in bama, they are all in DC and Arkansas were they smuggled the coke. Hell they shot Ron Brown then crashed the plane, or did they crash the plane and then shoot him. They even killed his mother's chiropractor (imagine the stories he could have told).

Cooper a wingnut with a sense of humor, at least it's a start. 



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