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Memo To GOP: Christianity Isn't The Only Religion

by: countrycat

Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:00:00 AM CDT


Listen up, Alabama legislators!  All y'all who think that you can take taxpayer money & promote your personal religious beliefs or - even worse - use your public elected position to do the same.... take a look at Louisiana before you write any more laws.

This past legislative session, Louisiana governor (and rising GOP star) Bobby Jindal championed a "reform" to public education.  HB976 set up a voucher program where parents could use state funds to send their kids to religious schools.  What?  Schools like parochial schools run by the Catholic Church?  Segregation Academies where parents isolate their kids from, well, anyone who is well tanned?

Funny though... there are other religions than Christianity - even in Louisiana and some of the schools applying for funds are - GASP!!  - Muslim!

Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Watson, says she had no idea that Gov. Bobby Jindal’s overhaul of the state’s educational system might mean taxpayer support of Muslim schools.

“I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools,” the District 64 Representative said Monday.

“I liked the idea of giving parents the option of sending their children to a public school or a Christian school,” Hodges said.

Hodges mistakenly assumed that “religious” meant “Christian.”

This same sort of stunned bafflement has happened elsewhere when legislators decided to experiment with public school funding:

In Alabama, the attitude that religious belief trumps educational excellence is nothing new.  In 1967, the Alabama Legislature was grappling with evolution, when Rep. Alonzo Shumate complained:

"These Darwin books teach that we came from jelly on the bottom of the ocean.  I don't want to see any of them taught here."

Then in the 2012 session, Rep. Blaine Galliher introduced HB 133, a bill that would allow religious instruction as an elective course.

Discussing the bill with WAFF in Huntsville, Alabama (February 5, 2012), Galliher was "pretty clear on where he stands," telling the station, "They teach evolution in the textbooks, but they don't teach a creation theory," and "Creation has just as much right to be taught in the school system as evolution does and I think this is simply providing the vehicle to do that."

Now, can you imaging the howls of outrage if the local mosque wanted to offer a course in, well, anything?  Or What about the Hindu temple or the Wiccans?

How interested would the State of Alabama be in funding a school where the principal said: "Sharia law has just as much right to be taught in the school system as Constitutional law...." How might Senator Cam Ward react to that statement?

Public school involvement in and support of religion gets a lot more complex & controversial when every religion expects the same access to the schools as local Christian ministers.

 

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More "Unintended Consequences" (4.00 / 2)
for the GOP who can't see past whatever legislation their cronies & corporate interests tell them to pass.

BTW,

How interested would the State of Alabama be in funding a school where the principal said: "Sharia law has just as much right to be taught in the school system as Constitutional law...." How might Senator Cam Ward react to that statement?

How would Shadrack react to that statement & can y'all get it on video? ;)

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How do such ignorant people get themselves elected to legislatures? (4.00 / 1)

Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Watson, says she had no idea that Gov. Bobby Jindal’s overhaul of the state’s educational system might mean taxpayer support of Muslim schools.

Did they really grow to adulthood without realizing that other religions exist?  Of course, I can think of a couple of Alabama legislators (Shadrack McGill, anyone?) who probably have the very same tunnel vison where their religion is concerned.  Alternative views simply don't exist for these people.

Ignorance breeds bad laws.



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It's not about parent options, but about public funding (4.00 / 2)
Even without public funding, parents have the option of sending their children to a Muslim school, or to a Christian school.  The question is whether those parents should be able to siphon off taxpayer funds (either via vouchers or direct school funding) in order to do so.  If people wish to fund Sunday School for Christians, Jews, Hindus, or Wiccans, that's their choice, but there's no reason state funding needs to be involved, even if they choose to replace regular weekday schooling with Sunday School.

Countrycat, thanks for the pointers to the stories about the Hebrew and Arabic language schools.  There are more details in the story on the Hebrew language school, and I find the protests quite strange.  This school is a non-religious school that teaches Hebrew language, possibly (it wasn't clear) through immersion.  My daughter's friend went to such a school that taught Chinese language, so I'm slightly familiar with how they operate.  Somehow this Hebrew language school is expected to attract Jewish families who would otherwise send their children to a Jewish day school?  There is little to no value the Jewish school provides these families other than Hebrew instruction?  Doesn't say much for religious instruction in the school environment, does it?

The Arabic language school, it wasn't clear, might operate on the same principle: teaching Arabic language, possibly via immersion.  It is of increasing importance that we have Americans skilled in Arabic language and familiar with Arabic cultures, so this seems like a good thing.  This school, too, would have to be a non-religious school if it were to receive public funding; Muslims, like any other religious group, can fund their own and their children's religious education.

Regarding HB 133: Galliher's comments make it painfully obvious that the bill was intended to facilitate teaching of creationism.  Once again the issue isn't really that it is forbidden to teach creationism, as Sunday School teachers can spout whatever nonsense they want.  The issue is that people like Galliher want creationism taught on the public dime, during the public school day, with public school credit, apparently so it can receive some veneer of legitimacy by association with public schooling and public funding.  They need to be reminded that other religions would also take advantage of such breaches in the wall of separation, and so it benefits Christians as well as everybody else to keep that wall intact.


Great points, Smedley! (3.00 / 2)

I'm much more familiar with the Hebrew school kerfluffle because I read about it in the Forward (a Jewish newspaper published in NYC) when the school was trying to open.

The issue that made it controversial among some Jews was that people would send their kids there to learn Hebrew (and learn it well, not just the prayers) because it was seen as an ok - and much cheaper alternative - to the day schools.  Day school tuition can cost $15k/student or more in the Northeast.  So many day schools & their supporters were quite worried that parents would choose the cheaper option and then the kids would NOT get any religious instruction other than a few hours a week at the synagogue.

The Arabic school sounded, to me, like a great idea.  Especially when you consider how much misinformation there is about Islam & the Middle East.  Not to mention how important it is to have Americans in the region who actually speak the language instead of relying on interpreters.

The reason I think there were protests from some Christians about these schools is that far too many of them see absolutely nothing wrong with religious indoctrination in classrooms.  So if a school is going to teach Arabic or Hebrew and many of the kids attending will be Muslim or Jewish, then they automatically assume that religion is being taught - no matter what they schools say.

Basically, they seem to be more projecting their worldview onto others than relying on facts.  We all do that at times, but this seems like an extreme example.

 



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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