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Did Hank Sanders' Robocall Help or Hurt Jim Folsom, Jr.?

by: mooncat

Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 19:43:08 PM CDT


Obviously intended to help re-elect Jim Folsom, Hank Sanders' "mad as hell" robocall also obviously got much wider circulation than intended, not only in the Alabama press but this segment on Anderson Cooper 360 that aired Monday evening on CNN.

CNN reaches a lot of people, even in Alabama.  Folsom only lost to Kay Ivey by about 45,000 votes.  There's no way to know how many people came out to vote for Folsom because they got the call vs. how many were motivated to vote against him because they heard about it, but I'd love to see what kind of movement Folsom and/or Ivey's internal polls showed between October 15th, when the calls hit Alabama answering machines, and Election Day.  I recall hearing of a similar robocall using highly charged language in the 2009 special election that sent Paul Sanford (R, SD7) to the Alabama State Senate.  The call was on behalf of his opponent, Rep. Laura Hall, who is black, but it ended up on some of the wrong answering machines and fueled charges of reverse racism.  GOP turnout was very high for a special and Hall lost badly.

CNN has posted a transcript of the entire AC 360 segment.  Cooper asked Sanders what evidence he had that the Republican opponents would take Alabama back to Jim Crow days.  Sanders said, "Well, there's a certain mean spiritness that's out there, not only in Alabama but it's in America.  And that makes this election extremely important."  Which is true, but not at all what the robocall said.  Following the interview with Sanders, Cooper continued to discuss "race in the race" with a panel of pundits.  Video of that segment is below the fold.

mooncat :: Did Hank Sanders' Robocall Help or Hurt Jim Folsom, Jr.?

There are certainly racial overtones to much of the political rhetoric and angst we're hearing right now, and I'm sure the fact that America elected a black president has exacerbated racial tensions in many cases, but when we focus only on the racial attitudes of those with whom we disagree, we're giving them a total pass on policy areas where they are just flat wrong.  And pretty soon the debate turns into a "Yes you are!"  "Oh, no I'm not!" kind of shouting match that accomplishes nothing.  I tend to agree with some of the panelists that this kind of over the top rhetoric on race is in some measure generational and will eventually lose its political usefulness -- if it hasn't already become more of a liability than an asset to candidates. 

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Well, if the robocall didn't hurt Folsom, the CNN attention may have (4.00 / 2)
I was really surprised by Folsom's loss.

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No robocall, no CNN story (0.00 / 0)
The two are inextricably related.  It seems to me technology is making this kind of very targeted message more and more difficult to pull off ... even leaving aside the considerable ethical questions.

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Don't forget his response (4.00 / 1)
He could have denounced the robocall.  He chose, instead, to effectively embrace it.

well Sanders recorded it (0.00 / 0)

how the heck could Folsom denounce it without seeming to kick Sanders around?

But if he had, would it have made a difference?  



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Folsom did not "effectively embrace it." (4.00 / 1)

Here's a news report regarding Folsom's response.

"It wasn't by me," Folsom said. "I have no responsibility for it."

Asked what changes he would make if he wrote the script, Folsom said he would not use any four-letter words.

Did Folsom even know about it in advance or was it another misguided effort like the "help" given to Jeff McLaughlin?  No way to know, but there would be no tactful way to denounce Sanders' help after the fact.

 



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Ummm... (4.00 / 1)

He said that all he would change were the four letter words ("hell" - I'm sure he's no stranger to stronger language).  That means he would have kept in the cotton picking, Jim Crow comment.  How can you possibly say that is not effectively embracing it?

If a Republican said all he would change about George Wallace or Strom Thurmand is the color of their suits  then you would call them racists for implicitly embracing all the other unpleasant attributes of those individuals. 



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I do not find the word "all" anywhere in that account (4.00 / 1)

My assumption is that the reporter decided that his remark about the 4 letter word -- remember, that is what people were complaining about -- was the newsworthy part so that's all we know about it.  Did he say anything else?  Don't know.

Speaking of Strom Thurmond, you do know that Steve Raby talked about him often, and rather favorably ...



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You have got to be kidding!!! (0.00 / 0)

Anderson Cooper didn't talk about it because he said hell.  All the Alabama media didn't talk about it because he said hell.  They talked about it because of the cotton fields / Jim Crow language.  Are you really suggesting that the reporter omitted Folsom's denouncing of that racially charged language?  Really?

Folsom didn't denounce it because he wanted to maximize black turn out.  Explicitly disagreeing with Sanders would have hurt that goal.  He was a coward for not saying the right thing (as was Sparks). 

I know lots of reporters are marginally aware of issues, but this one is pretty easy.  State Senator says voting for certain people will cause blacks to go back to the cotton fields.  He also said "hell."   Hmmm.... I wonder which is more newsworthy!



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Please delete this post... (0.00 / 0)
Brian said "hell"... ooops delete this one too.

Do better.

Dale, I have to say you were right - mooncat

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Hurt him no doubt... (0.00 / 0)
The theory is obvious, the Alabama Democrat Party believes we are living in the 40s and that all whites are racist. You can only imply a segment of the population is racist for so long before people get pissed about it.

Do better.

Dale, I have to say you were right - mooncat

You're an entertainer son! -Parker Griffith


sanders (4.00 / 1)
i think the give and take on this is good discussion. what i regret is that sanders must be loving it. got the spotlight on himself. he'll probably discuss it extensively in his diary. i wish a political reporter would try to find out what joe reed thinks about it, or, at least what joe reed says he thinks about it. joe reed controls the state democratic party and didn't the party pay for the ads? incidentally, while they didn't help folsom, sparks, other democrats, isn't it pretty obvious that we would have lost anyway?

No, the party did not pay for the ads (0.00 / 0)
The robocalls were "paid for by Alabama New South."  They obviously cost money and were intended to influence an election, but I can't find any AFCPA financial reports from Alabama New South and, so far, they haven't responded to a query on whether/how they file such reports.

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Let me make this clear... (4.00 / 1)

No one can argue that our state of tolerance in the south and on a national level regarding racial/cultural acceptance has improved to a point at which we must not move backwards.

When I first heard the Hank Sanders robo call message here on LIA, I was disgusted. I actually felt sick to my stomach. In my overly tolerant eyes, I saw Sanders as contributing to the degeneration of racial improvements and using our racial past misfortunes to create a divide in the present.

One of the very few, specific and sole reasons that I am a Democrat is my stance on civil rights and equality. I am being convinced more and more each day that maybe the Democrats (a great portion) are having a disconnect with the actual mood of mainstream America in regards to race.

If the old guard of the Black Civil Rights era Democrats continue to push on with the same tone as they did back in the sixties, then we will see not only a migration of moderates out of the Democratic fold, but a more aggressive stance taken by opposing parties. If we want to fire up some racist discussion with derogatory tones, lets put Hank Sanders up for U.S. Senator next year. If we want to have a realistic current climate and fact based look at race issues that we face today, lets do so in a civil and FACT BASED way.

It is a FACT that cultural poverty through subsistence and oppression is the greatest issue facing blacks TODAY. Yes, Racism is still an issue and still active. However, while whites have "closeted" their racist views either intelligently or subconsciously, blacks have been encouraged to express themselves through aggressive racial comments, in-effect practicing the very racial injustice that we have fought so hard to rid society of.

When blacks (especially here in the South) can shuck the old guard leaders like Sanders and embrace the concepts of new leaders like Artur Davis, then we will be able to move forward and away from racist ramblings of selfish power hunting via race baiting politicians like Sanders.

Here are a few things we need to look at as issues and figure out how to solve instead of covering the issue up under the blanket of social inequality.

1. High rates of out of wedlock births to African American Women in contrast to other races.

2. Extremely low high school graduation rates among African American students in our public education system as compared to other races.

3. High rates of incarceration for African American youths under the age of 20, as compared to other races.

There are many other lopsided statistics which show inequality in the black community in this country. It is easy for us to justify those high rates by using the blanket of social inequality to cover it up. However, we must rise above the generic blame game and make real change in our homes on a social level. If my son has a little white kid in his class who dresses nice and makes good grades, I want my kid to be smarter than him and dress even nicer. If I see a white person driving a new car, I expect that I should deserve the right to drive a new car, even if it means preparing myself financially to afford it.

If I had stuck with the traditional social environment I was born into, I would probably be living a very different life right now. I might not be married or have a kid. Or, I might have many more kids. I might not have a career that I am proud of. I might not have ever known the relief of paying off student loans last year where I had to borrow to make it through college. I might not know what it is like to have a white male banker loan me money to buy a upper scale house in a all white neighborhood. I might not have known what it is like to have my kids say yes sir and no sir, not because they learned it somewhere else, but at home.

Does this mean that I expect every black person to want the same thing? NO! Does this mean that I expect every black person to be capable of breaking out? NO! Does this mean that I expect that every black person should be given a chance to break out? YES! YES! YES!

I dont hold my nose down at anyone. But the same people who voted against Artur Davis (or didnt vote for Artur Davis) because he wasn't black enough, are worse than any white bigot could have been. Holding back progressive Blacks while embracing Activist Blacks are keeping blacks on the plantation. We fought racism and bigotry when it came from outside, now lets make sure that we do the same and fight it from within. When racism rears it's head, stomp on it!, even if it looks like a Democrat.



I think it better to do right, even if we suffer in so doing, than to incur the reproach of our consciences and posterity.
Robert E. Lee  


Sparks at top of ticket hurt Folsom (0.00 / 0)
but I don't know if anyone would have done any better except for Jim and he would have still lost to Bentley.

What gets me is that we had some really strong Dem candidates. Much stronger than we've had in a while and we lost everything. How do we get good qualified folks to run again in 2010?

We need to start back by picking off local races and legislative races.

I'm not sure there's a path to victory (as I read being discussed in another diary this week ) for Statewide Dems. First get Dems in party leadership who are inspiring and not afraid to be strong Dems.



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