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The Alabama Democratic Party - Lack of Vision or the Wrong Vision?

by: mooncat

Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 12:11:00 PM CDT


Donkey with glassesThe Alabama State Democratic Executive Committee met yesterday in Montgomery in a meeting room with no air conditioning, no wifi and precious little cell phone signal.  Uncomfortable and isolated -- it may be an appropriate metaphor for the party this year.

[Update: ADP Chairman Joe Turnham has provided a statement on yesterday's SDEC meeting.  It is included below the fold in its entirety.]

What did the Committee Members do in this sweltering room with no links to the outside world?  This is what I can piece together from the two news reports (hat tip Dana Beyerle and Eric Velasco) and a few personal reports of the event.

  1. They changed the bylaws to allow the Executive Board to seek re-election immediately rather than next January.  They did so and the current Board was re-elected.  "Turnham said that conducting elections Saturday rather than in January preserves continuity through the November election."  Ummm, holding the election in January would have provided the exact same continutity.  This guarantees the same Chairman, Vice Chairs, Secretary, Treasurer, etc. for another 4 years.  We need more detail on this point -- Dr. Paul Hubbert said he was resigning from the Board effective yesterday so who was elected Vice-Chair for Public Labor Sector?

  2. They changed the bylaws to base minority representation on the % of minority voters who voted for the Democratic candidate in the most recent presidential, rather than gubernatorial, election.  This is not a number that anyone can actually determine (a license to make stuff up for political advantage), but in practice it will allow an increase in appointed minority committee members to bring the minority (when asked yesterday, Joe Reed said "minority" means "black" in this case) representation up from about 55% to about 65%.  "Alabama Democratic Conference chairman Joe Reed said the change won’t materially affect the racial makeup of the party’s executive committee."  That's spin for the mathematically challenged.  Reed is the big winner in this action since he has the major say in who gets those extra seats on the committee.

  3. The committee did not vote on an amendment that would give the President of the Alabama Federation of Democratic Women a place on the Executive Board (I think it's definitely the Board, not just the Committee).  Why the hell not?

  4. The committee postponed a decision on replacing the Democratic nominee for Circuit Court Judge, Place 17 in Jefferson County.  They will meet again on August 26th (with air conditioning, next time?) to take up that question. 

  5. The committee confirmed Tuscaloosa District Attorney Tommy Smith as the Democratic nominee for the general election.  I don't follow the details here, but this action will apparently prevent a challenge to Smith from an independent candidate who was on and then off the Democratic primary ballot.

  6. The committee took no action to fill the ballot vacancy for Circuit Court Judge, Place 7 on the 23rd Circuit in Madison County.  I'm told Madison County did not bring a nominee.  Why the hell not?

  7. Here's the agenda so you can see what they planned to take up yesterday.  No word on whether they filled any vacancies on the SDEC, but I'm told there are still some vacancies.  I don't know what if anything they did about the District Court Judge vacancy in Calhoun county or the House District 8 vacancy.  [See below the fold for action on those items.] 
That agenda is from @RockRichard who also gets the tweet of the week award for this:

Not sure which Joe was presiding today. Turnham, Reed or Stalin #alpolitics #asdec

Which I take to mean that things were being pushed right along from the podium.  Several attendees said many people were "disgruntled" in the wake of the meeting. 

In an op-ed this morning, Artur Davis noted something else that did not happen at yesterday's meeting:

The usual ritual at these events is that the runner-up in the primary embraces the winner and pledges full-throated support for the nominee in the fall.

In a break with tradition, I did not attend that event and will not be campaigning for the Democratic gubernatorial nominee. I want Democrats and independent-minded voters to know just why not.

One of the reasons I entered elective politics as a Democrat is because I worried that the Republican administrations of Guy Hunt and Fob James had set the state back in fundamental ways. The emerging Republican Party in the state offered little in the way of new approaches to revive the economy or modernize our schools. A few narrow interest groups held unusual influence in the GOP, and those interests appeared uninterested in any public purpose beyond maintaining their own power.

After almost two years of navigating the Alabama Democratic terrain as a gubernatorial candidate, I fear that the forces that dominate my party have turned into the same conservative anti-reform elements that I went into politics to oppose.

Davis has said he never planned to be a professional politician and he certainly doesn't sound like one now, although his assertion that jobs should be the next governor's top priority is politically astute.  He pointedly did not endorse Bentley either (although some will accuse him of it) and reiterated his intention to leave the political arena when his term in Congress is over.  This is Artur Davis speaking his mind, expressing frustration with the conservative mindset reformers are up against in the Democratic power structure and closing with a familiar lament that so many educated young Alabamians still have to leave the state to find opportunity.

I regret that neither political party in Alabama has laid out a genuine course to keep those young people home. I'm not surprised that Republicans haven't done better, and I am deeply disappointed that Alabama Democrats are failing the test as well.

A lot of people are disapponted in the Alabama Democratic party and concerned about its future, as well as the future of the state.  The folks who run the Alabama Democratic Party have literally bet the party on B-I-N-G-O in 2010.  The leadership has no time or interest for Democrats who care about any other issue beyond gambling.  Constitutional Reform?  That's for do-gooders.  Ethics in government?  Dreamers.  Jobs from green industries?  This is Alabama.  Now this strategy may pay off in a big way in November if Democrats hold both houses of the Legislature, take back the governorship and most of the constitutional offices and win back the 5th district congressional seat in North Alabama.  If that happens Ron Sparks and the party leadership will be hailed as heroes.

My question for the ADP leadership is this: why change the bylaws to re-elect yourself now, well in advance of the November election if you think you'll be heroes after the election?  Is it possibly because the leadership is concerned that even a hand picked SDEC might be in an ugly mood next January and decide Alabama Democrats need to go in a different direction?  Elect different leaders who might care about more than a single issue?  That path is now closed -- Democrats could lose every race in November but we're guaranteed to keep the same party leadership for another 4 years, whether they're heroes or heels.  It makes no sense to me, but it apparently makes a lot of sense to the party leaders who are concerned with "continuity" -- and/or hanging onto their positions.

I'd like to see some vision and leadership from the party and our nominees.  I'd also like to have seen some calls for party unity after the primary.  The Republicans are talking up unity, airing their disagreements and at least getting their grievances out in the open, but Democrats have simply gone back to their isolated corners after June 1 and stewed.  Ron Sparks hasn't adopted even token parts of Davis' campaign platform, in spite of his early pledge to "woo" Davis supporters.  At least in public, no one in the leadership is even bothering to urge Davis voters to get behind the nominee in November.  Ignoring this rift will not bridge it. 

I don't say these things because I enjoy being critical of my Party or of our gubernatorial nominee -- I hate it -- but because I'm genuinely concerned that the lack of leadership toward bringing Democrats together in a sense of common purpose is going to hurt us in November.  None of us will be better off if Democrats lose big this year.  If we run the table on Nov. 3rd I will obviously have egg on my face, happily so, but right now I'm worried that we're headed for the political wilderness for a good long time.  The future may look bright to you folks in Montgomery, but I'm hearing "all is lost" from too many insiders and November 3 is shaping up more like Armageddon than Oz from where I stand.

mooncat :: The Alabama Democratic Party - Lack of Vision or the Wrong Vision?

Update.

Statement from ADP Chairman Joe Turnham regarding the Aug. 14 meeting of the State Democratic Executive Committee Meeting:

The committee had an outstanding attendance, over 225 with about 100 being first time members. We passed 5 bylaw changes including moving officer elections, removing old language from the bylaws that is obsolete, clarifying methods for at-large delegates, requiring county committees to declare quarterly financial statements. We elected officers, the same slate as last term with the deletion of Paul Hubbert and a new secretary, Greg Graves of Montgomery.
 
We honored Ruth Johnson Owens for her 50 years of service to the SDEC and yellowdog Democrat Fuller Kimbrell who is 101 years old.
 
We filled about 5 vacancies on the SDEC.
 
We formally nominated Drama Breland, HD 8; Shannon Paige District Court Judge Calhoun Co.; Tommy Smith, DA Tuscaloosa Co
 
We defered action on the judgeship nomination of Kenya Marshall until Aug 26th.
 
We heard from Ag & Industry Nominee Glen Zorn and Auditor Nominee Miranda Joseph. AG Nominee James Anderson was present prior to the meeting as were numerous other candidates.
 
Announcements were made and several dozen county chairs met in a workshop Friday prior to the meeting.

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If the ADP was a person (4.00 / 2)

It would need help - starting with an intervention by concerned family.

Artur Davis' campaign was a failed attempt at the intervention...



"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

Regarding the % minority representation change (0.00 / 0)
This is pure informed speculation on my part, but we saw in 2006 that Democrats who get crosswise with the ADC lose a few points in the general election -- that's why Troy King is AG right now instead of John Tyson.  This bylaws change will definitely put Joe Reed in a good humor and might get ADC solidly behind the whole ticket.  Speculation, but I wonder if that wasn't the purpose of bringing this change up, just at this time, and guaranteeing Reed another 4 years in charge of minority affairs.  Win or lose, his power is enhanced, but it will be enhanced more if he is seen as key to a big Democratic win in November. This gives him some incentive to really put his whole heart and soul behind the ticket this year.

Work harder and work smarter!

Mooncat, you and Artur Davis hit the nails on their heads. (4.00 / 1)


who cares what Artur Detour says anymore (2.20 / 5)
i agree with a lot of what you said however it's pretty clear that even if he says he's not that Artur Davis has endorsed Dr. Robert Bentley for Governor. Anything short of a  full pledge to support Sparks and urging his supporters to do so is a full endorsement of Bentley.

he's basically saying the voters got it wrong instead of I failed to run a strong campaign.



They aren't mutually exclusive (4.00 / 3)

"he's basically saying the voters got it wrong instead of I failed to run a strong campaign."

 



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



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Davis ran perhaps the worst campaign in Alabama history (3.50 / 4)

He went from a 30 (allegedly, Sparks' internals actually had it at 40+) point lead, a huge advantage in endorsements, and a multi-million dollar fundraising advantage to a 30 point loss to an Ag Commissioner who didn't get in the race until the last minute. For the mathematically challenged, that is around 70 point swing and rightly ended his political career. 

On policy, Artur Davis is clearly a smart if sometimes misguided guy. But he is among the worst politicians this state has ever produced - a pandering elitist hypocrite. The reason some on this site continue to forgive him all manner of anti-progressive behavior is because he's often pandering to them on the issue of Constitutional Reform.

Sparks IS wrong on this issue, but Artur Davis'  condescending approach to this issue actually does more damage to reform efforts than simply having an anti-reform governor. Davis never once articulated a plan for pushing Constitutional Reform in the legislature. He never once gave working Alabamians a reason to care about the issue. I submit to you that he didn't care about the issue at all - it was simply his "wedge issue" - a carrot to dangle in front of progressives but never to act on, just like the good ole GOP does with abortion. His only problem was that he and the headliners of this blog were about the only folks left on his side of the "wedge" on election day. If he actually had cared about, I think he would have taken the decidedly radical step of presenting a plan to actually achieve it.

His answer on jobs was more corporate tax breaks, but he never provided a tangible answer for how to increase government revenues (remember: Davis was also against tax increases).

He made it clear that he, unlike Sparks, did not think gay Americans ought to have the same hate crime protections as other Americans and that his position on health care reform was contingent on his campaign's most recent polling.

Artur Davis was no progressive and he ought not take out his frustration at the political party he continually made a show of spurning before the election. 

Basically, I think Artur Davis should start a lobbying firm with fellow out-of-work and soon-to-be out-of-work black conservatives Harold Ford Jr. and Michael Steele because his political commentary is embarrassing. 



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Geeze, I thought I was bitter and cynical (3.67 / 3)

You've got me beat by a mile.

Let me take exception to a few of your points.

  1. Sparks got in the race at the last minute.  Come off it.  Sparks was talking about wanting to run for Gov at the DNC in Aug. of 2008, openly voicing frustration that Folsom wouldn't pick a race.  He didn't get in formally until April, only because Folsom didn't decide until then.  Sparks put up a website in Dec. 2008 and announced his candidacy in April 2009, a full year before qualifying closed.  Hardly "the last minute."

  2. Davis is "is among the worst politicians this state has ever produced."  Yes I know officeholders have to have something of a politician to convince others to follow but a lot of people, myself included, are looking for someone more in the line of "statesman" than "politician."  Davis has spent 8 years in Washington and has not personally enriched himself at taxpayer expense -- I believe he's the only one of the Alabama delegation who could make that claim. 

  3. Davis is a "pandering, elitist, hypocrite."  For pandering, look no further than the nominee.  If Davis was a panderer he would have taken the easy road and pandered on health care.  It was a bad bill -- better than nothing, but not good as we can see now -- and he explained his reservations and let it pass without his support.  He could have easily pandered to the base and denied Reed, Sanders and Hubbert that bludgeon, but he didn't.  He also could have promised to allow casino gambling anywhere in the state (another pander on issues the governor doesn't actually get to decide) but he declined to promise something he didn't believe in and wouldn't push for if elected. I have no doubt that Davis genuinely believes in the need for constitution reform and would have genuinely pushed the legislature for CR had he been elected. 

  4. "His only problem was that he and the headliners of this blog were about the only folks left on his side of the "wedge" on election day."  Yep, us and 119,000 other reliable voters.  That's a pretty big chunk of voters willing to listen to any politician who supports reform.  Bring on some panderers, please.

  5. Davis' "answer on jobs was more corporate tax breaks, but he never provided a tangible answer for how to increase government revenues."  Here's where you obviously didn't get his message, and the campaign failed to distill it down to a few memorable points.  Davis' economic plan did call for tax credits, but also for increasing lending targeted to small businesses (who really do employ a great many people), accelerating rural broadband, attracting venture capital to Alabama to increase economic development and encouraging private investment in Biotech, Aerospace and Energy.  The answer to increased government revenues is to increase economic activity and thus prosperity.  And raise property taxes on large timber operations, which Davis pledged to do.

  6. "He ought not take out his frustration at the political party ..."  Pointing out a fundamental lack, such as lack of coherent vision for the state, is an act of love.  If Davis didn't give a damn about Alabama or the Democratic Party in Alabama, he'd walk away and never look back.  That would be an easier road.  Pointing out the deficiencies is the responsible thing to do if there's ever to be hope of improvement, just as the people who criticize the Obama administration are no less Democrats and no less loyal because they dare to voice their disagreement or disappointment.

  7. "... the political party he continually made a show of spurning before the election."  That would be the same political party he regularly voted against ... oh wait.  Damn!  Davis voted with his party the overwhelming majority of the time in the current Congress and all the previous ones.  "Artur Davis has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 95.4% of the time during the current Congress."  So much for that red herring.

  8. "Basically, I think Artur Davis should start a lobbying firm ..."  Why do you want more lobbyists in Washington, especially lobbyists as smart as Davis?  Especially when you disagree with him on a number of policies.  I would think that's the last thing any progressive would want.  Not to worry, I don't think that's the career Artur Davis has in mind, although it looks more and more like Alabama will be losing yet another bright young professional who cared enough to try and change the state for the better.


Work harder and work smarter!

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can't add anything to this (4.00 / 2)

awesome, Mooncat.  What you said.

Every. Word.



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



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You'd be right on healthcare if Davis... (4.00 / 3)

hadn't already vocally supported a) the overall concept of health care reform and b) specifically supported the Senate version of the bill before voting against it. Davis voted against it because he cynically believed that black voters would not vote against their own race so he could start his general campaign early. It was among the most transparent acts of pandering in political history and I think you need to strongly consider where this site is headed when you are calling someone courageous for opposing health care reform from the right and refusing to support Democratic nominees.

I don't doubt that Sparks has always wanted to be governor, but there is no doubt that he a) got into the game much later than Davis and b) decided to run for governor on very short notice. Such short notice that he had already had signs printed for Lt. Governor.

Please just answer this question: how did Artur Davis go from a 30+ point lead in the polls and a huge fundraising advantage to losing by 30+ points?



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This pandering thing (4.00 / 3)

It's really easy to label someone a panderer when you profess to know what thoughts are in their head -- unless you are telepathic you don't know and can't know what Davis thought about black voters or about health care.  And you are aware there were two bills (and permutations thereof) in the Senate, aren't you?  Judge him on his actions all you want, but please stop putting thoughts in his head and words in my mouth -- you brought courage into this, not me.

Also, Sparks won by 26 points, not 30+.  It's still a huge loss, but you sound much more credible when you take the trouble to be accurate.  I never saw a poll that had Davis over 50%.  In the end, the undecideds went for Sparks, a lot of Davis supporters stayed home or voted in the Repub. primary.  I thank them that Tim James and Parker Griffith were eliminated on June 1.  As for fundraising, Davis had an early lead, but I suspect the folks who were dropping a few hundred thousand at a time on Sparks equalized the money pretty well by the time the election actually rolled around.  Sparks was funded by high dollar special interests, Davis much more by individuals and smaller donors.  I know which is cleaner money.



Work harder and work smarter!

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Nitpick and rationalize all you want... (4.00 / 2)

The Mountain Brookies at whom Davis targeted his campaign were, as everyone who has ever watched an election in Alabama history predicted, all voting in the GOP primary for Bradley Byrne.

I, for one, would prefer my party to do a better job shoring up support among the poor and dispossessed before we start catering our message to Republicans in Vestavia. 

As for Davis and what's in his head, I don't know and, if this op-ed is any indication, I don't care to know. But I do know that his voting record shifted and his message changed when he started running for governor. When you look at his voting record spread out over his entire career, it's not bad, even if it's a bit underwhelming for someone from a Democratic lock district. But his voting record this Congress has been atrocious, as Nate Silver, who knows more about polling and stats than you or I will ever care to, very astutely pointed out.

I would be angry about this no matter what, but it's not the first time Davis has done something like this - we all wondered what the deal was with he decided to commandeer the process for nominating candidates for US Attorneys (and, very conveniently, Ms. Cenary has retained her role). If Davis had struck a secret deal with Shelby, etc. to keep her in place, he couldn't have done a better job. 

As to the numbers: Sparks' internals supposedly had Davis well over 50% several times. The polls Davis released usually showed him very near that mark. Not only did Sparks pick up all undecideds, Davis somehow underperformed his polling by double digits. 

That is a flat rejection of candidate and message on a level I have never seen in electoral politics. Seriously, see if anyone can find an example of a statewide candidate underperforming their polling this badly in a primary.

Now, Artur Davis is rejecting voters. This an embarrassing end to a once-promising career. It's one thing when some folks on the internet get over-excited and do stuff like Hillaryis44.com; it would have been another thing for Hillary Clinton to join their fool crusade.



[ Parent ]
Some of us old timers can remember... (0.00 / 0)
Former Governor Albert Brewer, in 1978.  Brewer had almost ended George Wallace's career in 1970, losing the runoff by a mere .5% or so.  Making a comeback effort in '78, Brewer was as big a media (and insider) consensus favorite as Davis was this time. Most polls confirmed his lead. Despite being attacked by four major candidates, Brewer stuck with his strategy of saving his money for a blitz in the runoff.  That would be a runoff he never made, as he finished third in the primary, missing the runoff by about 16,000 votes out of about 900,000 cast. As I recall, he also went home with several hundred thousand dollars in unspent contributions that had been saved for the runoff.  Another object lesson in the futility of remaining aloof when attacked.

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The 1970 election for governor (4.00 / 1)

was the first one that I remember.  Not sure if that makes me an "old timer" or not!

I was in 1st grade and had an Albert Brewer bumpersticker on my book stachel.  My mother explained that our family supported Brewer because "George Wallace was mean to black people."

Worked for me. I had been taught not to be mean to anybody.  I still try not to, but it's really hard!  :-)



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



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Countrycat, you do a great job of not being mean. (4.00 / 1)
I have seen you patiently explaining issues even when you are frustrated. It is a gift to have such patience.

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I was 12 before ... (4.00 / 1)
I knew that "Wallace" and %~#@<&+*^$! were two (or more) words. My sheriff-grandfather had (a) been the one who rounded up one of our legislators and returned him to Montgomery from the cabbage patch to cast a decisive vote against Wallace's first effort to repeal term limits before the 1966 election, and (b) was the searcher who found the wreckage of the plane of State Sen. Ryan deGraffenried, Sr. of Tuscaloosa, who was killed while running against Lurleen in 1966.  I remember attending a speech by Big Jim Folsom (who got in the race after the crash) later in that primary campaign with my grandfather, but the Wallace tide was just too high that year. The morning after the 1970 runoff was not pleasant at our house, even though we'd carried our county for Brewer.

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MEOW... (4.00 / 1)
OK Cats, stop the speechless jaw dropping already. Just when I think I'm gonna read a bedtime story, you all but run for public office yourselves... talk about coughing up fur balls.... VERY NICELY SAID... AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!

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What is with you (along with a couple others) on the banding Davis with Ford, Jr.? (4.00 / 3)

Artur Davis has never jumped on the opportunist train and moved to another state to run for public office nor has proven he lacks integrity or credibility.  However, Harold Ford, Jr. has done all of the above.  If you are going to compare Davis to somebody it would probably L. Douglas Wilder.  Look up his track history and you will see they are very alike in political philosophies as Southern black Democratic politicos.

Sparks is an opportunist, where he was one way on health care reform in front of a majority white audience and then another way in front of black audience.  Let's not forget climate change, constitutional reform, economic development, etc.  the list can go on and on.  

Davis is a policy wonk like Obama, but unlike Obama he isn't a buzzword or man of few words.  This (along with my other comment last month) was the Achilles Heel of his gubernatorial campaign because he couldn't create a buzzword or buzz phrase to woo everybody like "B-I-N-G-O" did with the one-trick pony, Sparks.  

Finally, you are forget how anti-progressive, sycophantic the current Alabama black leadership is under Joe Reed.  Reed want people to be his flunkies whom will practically buy a pair of knee pads to get into his good graces if they run for political office.  That's not very Democratic at all because the will of the people is what matters not appeasing one man.

 



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


[ Parent ]
This is NOT true and drives people apart. I hope that is not what you want. (4.00 / 2)
Anything short of a  full pledge to support Sparks and urging his supporters to do so is a full endorsement of Bentley.


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Not putting words in anyone's mouth (3.00 / 3)
But some people aren't satisfied to have merely defeated Davis in the primary ... they need to not only run him out of politics but destroy his reputation and career if possible.  His ideas scare the hell out of them so they have no choice but the nuclear option.  Can't have any independent thinking left alive, it might encourage others to challenge the status quo.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Davis is destroying his reputation and career (3.50 / 4)
He doesn't need anyone else to do it for him.

I'm of the opinion that his statement simply shows his bitterness.

You should never tell the voters that they were wrong. I essentially feel that way when I read Davis's comments. He lost in a landslide. He got beat in essentially every county in the State. He lost his own district. The voters simply rejected him.

Some of his criticisms of Sparks are fair but seem a little misplaced. He's not being productive.

To say that Davis didn't pander because of his vote against health care is ridiculous. He voted against it because he was pandering to the right.

There are a lot of other races on the ballot besides the Gov's race and Davis essentially rejects the importance of those in his comments by  failing to endorse Sparks.

Look Byrne endorsed Bentley even though his loss came to him as just as much of a surprise being the ultimate lock just months ago. I think Davis should have done the same and endorsed Sparks. He could have still made his points and said what he wanted to say.


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just warned someone else downthread (4.00 / 2)

let's be careful with ratings because this thread seems to be spiraling into ugliness.

I noticed the "1" here and it doesn't appear to be a marginal comment.  I disagree with hit, but it's not "1" worthy.



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
no... (3.33 / 3)
But he needs to act the role of gracious primary loser.  There are a lot of Dems who voted for him in the primary who are never voting for him again after this stunt.  I don't see any efforts to ruin Davis' reputation and career save Davis' own words.

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I highly doubt Davis will ever run for statewide public office again (4.00 / 2)
He sees what's in the tea leaves and until Alabama Democrats wake up and realize what is happening with the party leadership then they are doomed to continuous failure. 

"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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Wilderness (0.00 / 0)
For a decade?  Or more?

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]

"he's basically saying the voters got it wrong"

 

And he would be right.



"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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watch the ratings abuse (3.33 / 3)

bananapudding. 

A "0" rating or "troll rating" is for comments that are personally abusive, profane, racist, or make personal attacks rather than policy statements.  Or even for people who have shown consistently that their only purpose in being here is to disrupt discussions and try to start pie fights.

It's against LIA rules to "troll" rate comments that you merely disagree with. That's what the 2's & 3's are for.

Now, had bamanewsguy said something like this:

"he's basically saying the voters got it wrong"

 

And he would be right

If you can't see that, then you're a #$%# moron and not worth my time.

 

Then THAT last addition would garner a troll rate from many people - particularly if the #$%# were actual profanity.

We encourage everyone to use the ratings system, but abusing it isn't allowed.

 



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
there a couple of others that troll rate (0.00 / 0)
 when it is not appropriate.  

[ Parent ]
But officer ... (3.00 / 1)

A couple of other guys were speeding, too!

That seldom works with the highway patrol.  Countrycat is right.  ALL of y'all need to be more careful handing out the donuts.   "Disagree" is number 2.



Work harder and work smarter!

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I call it when I catch it. (4.00 / 1)
But I confess to not reading every comment in every thread - especially when they get quite long.

There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
thanks (4.00 / 2)

I adjusted a few of my ratings... I'm not sure that what I did was worthy of being called out by name as abuse.

I do appreciate mooncat's clarification, though.  I was probably rating 2's as zeroes out of ignorance and not malice, and the explanation is helpful.

However, I'm not sure that "some people aren't satisfied to have merely defeated Davis in the primary ... they need to not only run him out of politics but destroy his reputation and career if possible" isn't actually trollish.  Can't say I know what the definition is, but it seems to be a deliberate mischaracterization of others' arguments.  I adjusted my rating to a 1 on that one.

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sometimes there's a gray area (4.00 / 1)

and in a thread with multiple commenter, you have to be specific.  Trust me, I learned by experience!  :-)

Basically, community standards are only the most egregious of comments or those from commenters who consistently are here just to stir up trouble (we have one crazy we had to ban who kept saying that Blacks, Jews, and Muslims were united in a secret plan to take down the US government, for instance) get a ZERO.

We really want to encourage people to discuss and debate, but it's important to do it civilly and keep personality out of the discussion as much as possible.  Again, it's a gray area and if the comment you cite had been: "Jerks like you aren't satisfied...." instead of "some people aren't satisfied" then that would have been a clear violation.

I can't say the system is perfect, but it's best to err on the side of "ones" not "zeros" when you can.

and that last "you" was collective, not just for bananapudding!!  :-)



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
You wanna know why they won't allow the President of the Democratic women into the executive committee? (4.00 / 3)
I think you already know the answer. This is about power hungry jerks--why would they want to share power with a woman. The entire executive board is a damn cartel that needs to be busted. I can barely believe what they are doing is legal--change the election date and keep yourselves in power? That is crap.

How best to fix this dysfunction? (4.00 / 3)

I have heard more than one elected Democrat criticize the current party leadership, which has, with a few exceptions seemed more interested in perpetuating itself than in showing a vision for a better Alabama getting good candidates elected to make that vision a reality.

I am sorry that Artur Davis did not go for at least one more term; I do not agree with many of his stands, but I do agree with his position on the Party needing to come into the 21st Century.

It's time to quit the Republican Lite track, ditch the Big Mules and take up for the people of Alabama--I think they might be surprised what a little backbone, adherence to ethics and support for government that better meets the needs of the average Alabamia.  



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Here's the real irony... (4.00 / 2)
That AFDW amendment? Probably on its way to passage, until Nancy Worley suggested tabling it. Not defending the boys, just stating what I saw, like more than 1 male delegate speaking in support of the amendment.

"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)

[ Parent ]
One of whom was Madison Co. Commissioner Harrison (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
Just sayin' (0.00 / 0)
I support the Bylaws amendment that would put the AFDW president on the SDEC board. (I am not an SDEC member, but would have voted for it if I had been.) My cousin's wife is an AFDW officer. I expressed my sympathy to him at the meeting, for the fact he'd have to ride home for two hours in the car with her, listening to the venting.

But the Bylaw amendment changing the election date did not have the effect of "keeping [anyone] in power ..."  In fact, it had potentially the opposite effect. By moving the election date from January 2011 to last Saturday, it actually shortened the previous terms of the incumbents. Had there been opposition to them, with enough votes, they would have lost their offices and power earlier.


[ Parent ]
Really (4.00 / 1)
 If the Democrats lose the governor's race and control of the Alabama Legislature do you think the current Party leadership would be more likely to be voted out then or now?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


[ Parent ]
So moving the election was a courageous move? (4.00 / 2)
Get real.  Two months before the most important election of the term is a completely asinine time to schedule elections.  It doesn't work strategically for future elections but it does serve to perpetuate the current officers.  While there would be little hesitation to vote out the leadership a couple of months after a disastrous election, it will always be much harder for the SDEC to muster the gumption to change leadership (no matter how bad) in the run-up to a key election.  It's like no one wants to change presidents during wartime.  The SDEC Board just made themselves into wartime officers ... in perpetuity.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Of course we can always amend the Bylaws again between now and then... (4.00 / 1)


"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)

[ Parent ]
I agree (4.00 / 3)

It does seem like a strange time to be holding elections, when the energy needs to be focused on winning statewide and national elections.

I'm not a big fan of Terry McAuliffe, but in his book, What A Party!, he talked about how the Kerry team became more interested in becoming 'the power' in the Democratic Party than winning the damned election against George Bush, and we all know how that turned out.

I just wonder if some of that isn't going on here on a statewide scale.



"This is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. This is about the whole system being against us." - an Occupy protester at Obama's Des Moines office.

[ Parent ]
Couple of points (4.00 / 1)
Given the current composition of the SDEC, I am not at all sure anything would change the result of an election held after some speculative debacle. Thus, I am not saying it was "courageous," but neither was it particularly nefarious. I was much more disappointed that the AFDW amendment was tabled.

I also raised the issue with a couple of SDEC members, after the meeting, that I am not sure the officer-election date change, and Saturday's resulting election, was legal.  As it impacted a voting procedure or practice within the ambit of § 5 of the Voting Rights Act, I think it has to be precleared with DoJ before it can be implemented.  Which does raise the prospect of a January election of officers.


[ Parent ]
Also ... (2.00 / 1)
Some commentors might look at their posts carefully before they hit the "Post" button.  More than one of the comments in this thread sound like the commenting party would like nothing better than to see a Republican/Business Council takeover of the entire government of Alabama, including the Legislature. Anyone who feels that way, even if it is a case of sour grapes about the primary, needs to come out of the closet and admit they are not a progressive.

[ Parent ]
If (4.00 / 3)

African Americans comprise 55-65% of the SDEC can you still claim they are a minority?

As to changing the election date - could this be because the SDEC thinks this November election will be a disaster and does not want to be removed because of it.

" I don't belong to an organized political party, I am a Democrat"



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke


SDEC = cronyism (4.00 / 2)

Plain and simple.  It's an embarrassment and the criticitism of them is just and deserved. 

Joe Reed is obsessed with power, yet his homophobic and racially bias a** wants to pretend like he cares about working class and impoverish black Alabamians.  It's another reason why black Alabamians can't get fair and equitable representation because somebody forgot to lock the door when Joe Reed was coming to join the ADP.  They need to be some accountability and responsibility of actions, but that's something I don't see at all with the ADP.



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


[ Parent ]
May I offer some encouragement and appreciation? (3.50 / 4)

Thank you to all of you for all the work you do in bringing to us in the hinterland news and knowledge that we would otherwise not have.  You are all appreciated, from the center to far left, each of you offers insight and opinions that we would not have access to if not for this blog and others like it.

If I may again quote from my favorite definition/explanation of Democratic Governance: " Democratic Governance is never perfect, for it is a process rather than an end product.  It is, all over the world, a continuous process of expanding the political space to ensure for everyone equal access to basic rights and liberties."

The Democratic Party of the 20th century was not the Democratic Party of the 19th century.  By the mid 1900's, the Democratic Party had confronted itself and changed itself.  It was that uncouth Texas democrat Lyndon Johnson who pushed through the Civil Rights Bill and Medicare.  I and many others embraced this change.

The Republican Party, in response, created the Southern Strategy which absorbed the Dixiecrats.  The Republican Party thus changed itself and became not the party of Lincoln and Frederick Douglas.

I and many others are Democrats because it is the Democratic Party that embraces the concept of Democratic Governance.  I am a Progressive because the world changes, new issues emerge, life is a progression that must be managed (again quoting from the same definition) "for a better social and political order".

I will vote the Democratic ticket for these reasons, and suggest that,  in the 21st century, it is time for us to confront ourselves again.

One more thing, an FYI, President Obama used the phrase "democratic governance" in a speech last week.

Again, thank you all.  You are appreciated.



I am so disappointed by Artur Davis that I am almost, not quite, speechless. (4.00 / 4)

I voted for Davis and gave him a ton of money. I also held fundraisers for him. 

Davis is clearly endorsing Bentley in his statement today. For that, he cannot be forgiven. We can talk about constitution reform, ethics reform and jobs until something actually happens. Davis' statements do no good to further the causes he espouses.

His attack on Sparks and support of Bentley make him look like a poor politician and a poor loser.

I cannot believe that we both belong to the same party. All he had to do was to keep his mouth closed and let the electorate decide. The electorate decided on him. I believe the voters of each and every county were correct in their rejection of Davis. They knew something I did not know. 

 

 



Artur Davis (4.00 / 4)

is a party of one, The Artur Davis Party.

Sorry, but it's true. He has some good ideas, but has no sense of what it means to be a Democrat.



"This is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. This is about the whole system being against us." - an Occupy protester at Obama's Des Moines office.

[ Parent ]
Thank you Dardango, it took me a whole paragraph to say it. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
If you wanna play instead of gawking at the train wreck... (4.00 / 3)
About 10% of the SDEC seats are vacant. Filling them is as easy as getting nominated, confirmed by the commmittee (a formality) and paying your qualifying fee. We filled some Saturday, but there are still 13 seats open for women. Remember, you have to live in the state House district. SDEC openings for women: district 6, 17, 39, 43 51, 62, 64, 80 89, 92, 94, 98; for men: district 35, 102, 105. If you want the job, let me know and I'll be glad to nominate you.

"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)

Then Sign Me Up (4.00 / 2)
If filling them is as easy as getting nominated and paying for it. I'll do it. I'm in District #62 and the last I checked, I'm a woman. I want the job. Pam Wallace once said, there's more to getting involved than just blogging. I happen to agree.... Where's the dotted line?

[ Parent ]
mpmarus (0.00 / 0)
DemoGirl wants in and that's a. very. good. thing.  Email me and I can put you guys in touch -- unless you're already FB pals or something.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Just emailed you (0.00 / 0)
Please feel free to share my info with DemoGirl...

"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)

[ Parent ]
Mail bounced... (0.00 / 0)
DemoGirl, my real email is in my profile

"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)

[ Parent ]
My email (0.00 / 0)

Is

mooncat at leftinalabama dot com

Is that what bounced?



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Yes - says mailbox is full (4.00 / 1)
of spam, maybe?  

"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)

[ Parent ]
Damn! (0.00 / 0)
Thank you.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Fixed now. (0.00 / 0)
A few really big junk messages -- you have won the lottery.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
News Coverage and Other Matters (4.00 / 1)

A couple of observations about the two news stories mentioned in the main dairy. I was at this meeting. Dana Beyerle of the New York Times Newspapers (which include The Tuscaloosa News, The Gadsden Times and the Florence Times-Daily), was there and I spoke briefly with him. He is a diligent and impartial reporter, asks tough questions of everyone, and I encourage anyone following politics to seek out his byline in those outlets. I did not see Eric Velasco there, and from reading his story it seems that he reported it by telephone.  Velasco's story also focused on the Birmingham angle, the contested Marshall nomination for circuit judge.

As to the change to the Bylaws, almost the entire current composition of the SDEC consists of bylaw-created seats from the time when Alabama was a one-party state. Such a system - where there was equal representation from each State House seat - created both racial parity and proximate reflection of Democratic voting strength, by operation of mathematics.  Now that many State House seats (and the 6th Congressional District - CDs have additional seats on the Board) have negligible Democratic votes, whites are overreprented on the SDEC as a whole. There's ample room for debate about whether the adopted proposal is the most equitable or efficient way to deal with the problem, but Dr. Reed was correct to point out there is a problem.

Finally, as to the comments (and there were many made) about some of the parliamentary procedure at the meeting, on several occasions, Joe Turnham effectively apologized for them, pointing to the dangerous heat in the meeting room and the need to get out of it. I don't know that lenghty roll calls or standing tallies would have changed any of the results of his quickly-gaveled voice votes. I don't know what efforts, if any, were taken to seek alternate facilities in the hour's notice the Party had that the air conditioning was out. There will be a Wanted Poster Tuesday on this meeting.



... overrepresented ... grrr (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
just a style comment (4.00 / 1)

Publius IX, you invariably have good, well thought out comments, but I have difficulty reading them closely becuase you use all bold text.  It's very jarring on the eyes and difficult to read.

Maybe you're cutting and pasting from a word processor or something where you can make the font-weight normal instead of bold?



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
:) (0.00 / 0)
It's just a plain, non-bold Times New Roman. In fact, it looks normally-sized (and not bold) to me. It's the unchanged default font of other posts that comes out tiny and hard to read on my 17" monitor, and I use the font-upsize feature of Mozilla on it. You aren't using one of those PlaySkool Apple products that screws everything up, are you? ;)

[ Parent ]
nope. garden variety Windows XP (0.00 / 0)

running Firefox Beta as a browser.

Probably one of those pesky "browser display" problems that make my life miserable when I have my "SEO consultant" hat on!



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
For your Beta report ... (4.00 / 1)
This is what my TNR Bold looks like. Does it look any worse?

[ Parent ]
Raise your hand... (4.00 / 2)
if you think the overheated room was just good cover for Turnham ramming stuff through.

Respectfully, PubliusIX, I was there, too, sitting in mid-crowd, and from the voice votes I heard, at least 2 of those votes should have been standing tallies - which did not take that long, the time or two Turnham actually used them. Heck, he could have cut Joe Reed off a few times and made up more than enough time for those votes.


"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)


[ Parent ]
Proposal: Next SDEC Meeting to Be Held in Oslo. (4.00 / 3)
My blog post for tomorrow morning is a more lengthy exposition of my opinion of Saturday's proceedings. In trying to avoid a diary-length comment, I may have sounded more forgiving of the shortcuts than I actually am.  In brief, however, I also will be pointing out that several points of order were untimely or improperly raised, or divisions not timely called, by those who opposed the proceedings. That can be rectified at the next regular meeting. I think you will find it an interesting read.

As for Dr. Reed ... I have been listening to him hold forth at SDEC meetings for well over three decades. If you think Saturday was bad, you should go watch an ADC meeting sometime. Or not.


[ Parent ]
I only got one thing from this thread. (4.00 / 2)

Artur Davis wants to see a virulently anti-feminist doctor in the state house. He could have kept his mouth shut, but didn't.  He could have endorsed the "Party candidate" in a lukewarm manner, but didn't. I regret the vote I cast for Artur Davis, and encourage him in his determoination to stay out of politics forever.

The rest of it was just Alabama Party of Joe, doing what it always does.  I think Piggieheart may stay out of Alabama politics forever also.  Why bother?  Let's support the national party and forget the pretenders.



"BOUNCE THE BASTARDS". Piggieheart

Don't stay out of it PH! (0.00 / 0)

We need folks like you to infiltrate the Alabama party and move it in the direction of the national party.

And yeah, I know it's a long, thankless job but if we don't do it, it won't ever happen.  Alabama will have two parties, Republican and Republican-lite, from here to eternity.



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Mooncat, I want you to be Governor. (0.00 / 0)
You would be a great Governor. We need a draft Mooncat movement with a write in as an independent. That is the solution. YES.

[ Parent ]
Better idea (0.00 / 0)

Write in "Constitution Reform."  Or "Carter Cockfight."

Yes, I know this is headed down the Ralph Nader road, but it is more fun than pondering the actual choices.



Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
I'll vote for Carter or Mooncat. Heck even I'd be better (4.00 / 1)
than the choices we have, and I'm just an old liberal who doesn't even LIKE Alabama.

"BOUNCE THE BASTARDS". Piggieheart

[ Parent ]
I used to think Alabama would grow on me (4.00 / 1)
But with the August heat and the "this is the way we've always done and it works fine" conservative attitude, I'm not feeling the love lately.  Maybe cooler weather will improve my attitude.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Lack of air conditioning (0.00 / 0)

I just heard a really remarkable thing and I can't figure out a way to check it, so maybe someone else will know if this is accurate.  Many in attendance Saturday complained that there was no air conditioning in the meeting room at the Madison Hotel.  That's a disaster in South Alabama in August.  I assumed the hotel had a sudden AC failure.

However, some who were there have indicated hotel staff told them the AC had been out for quite a long time.  

That isn't the remarkable thing, though.  The remarkable thing I heard is that Joe Reed is the owner (one of the owners?) of the Madison Hotel where the Alabama Democratic Party held this meeting ... in an un-air-conditioned room with no wifi and no cell phone service.  In August.  Where business was rushed along because the room was so hot.  That is just too bizarre to be true, but it came from a source who is one of the most honest and trustworthy people I know.  Can it be true?



Work harder and work smarter!

FWIW (0.00 / 0)
My BlackBerry was working fine at the meeting, even for web access.  In a moment of boredom, I even posted a note at the Parlor after the first vote was taken, and responded to a couple of emails, without leaving my seat. Maybe I should do an ad for Verizon.

I also heard the claim that Reed owns the hotel.  The hotel property is owned by Hotel of Montgomery, LLC, a Mississippi LLC with offices in Hattiesburg. There is no public record on who its members are, but the registered agent is Cory Brick, who appears to be linked to a number of older hotel properties around the region. The registered office for the LLC is at another hotel in Mobile of about the same vintage as the Madison.


[ Parent ]
Thank you (0.00 / 0)
So we'll never know who owns the Madison ... and you should definitely do a Verizon ad, because others had problems.  Or maybe where you were sitting mattered.

Work harder and work smarter!

[ Parent ]
Technology... (4.00 / 2)
We've gone from "can you hear me now?" to "can I Twitter from this seat?"  :-)

There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



[ Parent ]
According to the MS SoS site (0.00 / 0)
Hotel of Montgomery has two members, Courtney Brick & Jim Schafer. Its registered address is in Columbia, MS.

According to the AL SoS site, Madison Hotel LLC has as its sole member Nick Sheth and its registered address is the Madison Hotel at 120 Madison.

"When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak." (Audre Lorde)


[ Parent ]
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