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Artur Davis - Anatomy of a Loss

by: mooncat

Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 06:20:00 AM CDT


Artur Davis concedes

Davis Accepts Responsibility for Loss, Will Not Run Again

The day after his 62-38 loss to Ron Sparks, Rep. Artur Davis granted us one final interview to discuss the failure of his bid to become Alabama's next governor.  Unlike those who blame their staff and fire underlings, Davis accepted full responsibility for the loss, saying, "I did not do a good enough job as a candidate" and made it quite clear that he does not plan a future in politics.  "I never intended to be a career politician." 

Davis' 62-38 loss, and particularly the magnitude of that loss, surprised political observers and apparently even the campaign itself.  As late as 7:30 pm Tuesday campaign insiders still believed they had a shot at winning a squeaker and staffers who were upbeat Tuesday afternoon and early evening looked positively stunned by 8:30.  Davis said none of their polls predicted the magnitude of voters' sharp turn toward Sparks.

"Obviously, there was a dramatic movement in the last two weeks away from this candidacy.  Every poll missed it.  ... There certainly was a tightening race and a race that turned into a dead heat but ... no polling organization captured the dramatic movement that resulted in a 24 point win. ... There was some set of dynamics at work in the electorate in the last two weeks that was different from what existed before that."

Davis says it's inevitable that people will speculate that his vote against health care reform is responsible for the loss, but that isn't born out by the polling. 

"That's not what the trend line of the race really indicated  The race tightened substantially after the health care vote, then it opened back up again. Our polling showed that the race had opened up to a double digit lead ... then, frankly, we showed the race collapsing again.  And we still don't have a good handle on why the race collapsed after that.  Obviously we were not subjected to a negative television attack, we were not subjected to any adverse free media."

That certainly agrees with the publicly available polling we've seen  -- throughout this campaign polls showed Davis leading by a large margin.  After the health care vote in late March, a PPP poll showed the race had tightened, but another independent poll (R2K) showed Davis again had a comfortable lead about 2 weeks ago, though he was still under the 50% mark.  So what happened?

"It just seemed that there was ... an accumulation of doubt that built up around the state.  We had a substantial drop off in both black and white support in the final two weeks and I take the blame for that as a candidate.  When you lose 62 counties there's not room for a lot of microanalysis of the campaign." 

"The voters rejected me as a candidate.  And I won't say that they rejected the message, I'm not sure that's fair to say.  But we did not do a good enough job as a campaign making our message relevant and resonant with the Democratic core voters."

mooncat :: Artur Davis - Anatomy of a Loss

A big chunk of the problem, at minimum, is that Davis never developed a simple, short, "elevator pitch" message that would stick with voters.  The very first time we interviewed Congressman Davis back in 2008 we commented that he is one of the most knowledgable and articulate politicians we've ever met, but he needs to edit the policy talk down to soundbites at some point.  No easy task, although I still think "Change Alabama for Good" is miles better than "Common Sense."  Nevertheless, voters and poll workers I spoke with Tuesday expressed confusion about what Davis stood for.  Define yourself or your opponent will define you -- or at least cast doubts upon you.

"I do think that a perception built in some circles that this campaign lacked a core, and this campaign lacked a central premise.  ...  Voters knew what Ron Sparks' campaign was about.  They knew it was about expanding gambling and the lottery.  I'm not sure enough voters knew what my campaign was about, and too many voters thought that my campaign was about a very abstract proposition -- can a black be elected governor?  My campaign was always about much more than that, but candidly, I'm not sure we did a good enough job burning our message into a few simple, discernable points."

"We had a message that's not a conventional message in the Alabama governor's race.   Alabama governor's races tend to be driven by personality and they tend to be driven by, sometimes a few basic issues.  Obviously, I did not do a good enough job as a candidate in connecting with certain groups in the Democratic base.  That's not anyone's fault other than mine."

"The trendline in this race was not a freefall from healthcare on.  The race moved back in our direction ... and we took a double digit lead into the final two weeks, according to both our polling and AEA's polling and then something happened.  A double digit lead turned around completely ..."

We asked Artur Davis if he still believes the decision to skip the ADC and New South endorsement process was the right one, especially in light of the heat he took from traditional black leaders like ADC Chair Joe Reed and State Sen. Hank Sanders:

"It was the right decision for this campaign.  We did not handle that decision well and communicate the reasons for the decision. ... That is a political choice.  You make an assessment.  Can you get it?  What will it cost you?  What's the cost of not getting it.  ...  I certainly reject the theory that had we gone we would have gotten the endorsements ...  We did not handle the explanation well, we didn't do a good job of explaining to black voters.  And there was a significant group of black voters who bought into the idea that we were minimizing the significance of black voters.  That was unfortunate and again, the blame is on me for not doing a great job of communicating why we didn't go."

"Where we had a significant African-American advocate, Mayor of Mobile Sam Jones, we ran very well in the black community.  In Montgomery, where Joe Reed is a polarizing figure, we split the black community. ... My campaign did not have enough validators in the black community.  We did not have enough peole willing to stand up and say, 'here's why we support this campaign.'  Now again, that's a failing of my campaign, because my campaign should have been able to attract individuals who were willing to stand up and say, 'this is a good candidate ...'"

The outsider thing -- a two-edged sword:

Davis' status as a Montgomery outsider made him an attractive candidate for those of us who think state government needs to see real reforms, but running against the establishment is never easy -- the establishment always has more resources and always resists change.  That bit the Davis campaign as it became clear that major Democratic players were lining up behind Sparks.

"We did not do a good enough job over the course of the last 3 to 4 years in forming relationships with certain groups within the Democratic heirarchy.  And it's not just the black groups," Davis said, mentioning labor and state employees groups.

"Most candidates who've run for governor of this state have had a long standing relationship with a set of forces in Montgomery.  I did not have that. ... Because of that this campaign did not bring certain relationships to the table.  And that was a weakness of this campaign in terms of its political foundation."

The Davis campaign had increasing difficulty fundraising in the last few weeks and was left without the resources to counter some of the claims being made against him.  Davis said, in hindsight, the decision to split resources between TV, radio and field may have been unwise.  He didn't believe they were outspent on television the last 10 days  but said Sparks and other groups certainly outspent them on radio, which hurt. 

About the low turnout and negative advertising:

"A group of voters who looked at race, saw a lot of attacks and made the decision that they didn't want to participate."

In a nutshell, that's what negative advertising that seeks to suppress voter enthusiasm and turnout is all about.  And it works.

Davis very definitely and deliberately closed the door to any future candidacy:

"I certainly don't want to suggest that the campaign couldn't have made tactical and strategic choices that could have arrested that collapse, but the reality is that we didn't make them." 

"I'll be very direct with you, yesterday's result was a thoroughgoing rejection by the party.  ...  I'm ready to move on to another phase of my life.  I'm ready to move on to the things that I've done for most of my life, practicing law.  I'm ready to get back to doing that.  ...  Ultimately, I spent a wonderful decade in politics, I'm not a career politician.  Never intended to do this for the course of a life.  Never intended to be one of those candidates who runs, loses, runs again, tries another race ..."

"I believe we had the right values and vision for this state, not enough voters agreed.   I was not a good enough candidate. ... This campaign struggled to raise money when we had a 30 point lead in the polls and led every Republican in the polls.  Imagine what the dynamic would be like coming off a 24 point loss without those assets.   I accept the voters' verdict. ... You can participate in the civic life of a community without being a candidate.  You can do good in a state or in a region without being a candidate.  I accept the voters' verdict ... and my wife and I are ready to move on to a different phase of our life."

"I will certainly participate in civic life at some level but I have no plans to be a candidate for political office again.  I'm eager to enter a new phase of life."

There is no simple soundbite for some of the issues on the progressive agenda, and that's a problem.

Over the last year and a half Davis has talked at length about progressive state issues like constitutional reform, ethics reform, attracting new industry to the state, making more capital available to business already here, reducing the high school drop-out rate, making the tax structure more equitable, etc.  We asked if he thought Alabama voters are bored by an issues campaign?  Davis disagreed, saying, "Voters will absorb issues if they're communicated effectively.  Obviously, my campaign did not communicate them effectively enough.  The fact that you can give a good speech in a room doesn't mean you are communicating your message in all the ways that it must be communicated.  And I think  Even in a room, I did not consistently do a good enough job condensing my message to a few simple points that voters could relate to. Again, that's my failing as a candidate."

"We worked hard, we tried hard, I know there are many who will denounce the quality of this campaign and obviously it was not a good enough campaign.  But I'm proud of the campaign we ran, I'm proud of the way we ended the campaign and I look forward to seeing the Democratic party in Alabama grow and discover the roots that it needs on state issues to be a progressive party."

About the changing political landscape in Alabama and developing a strong progressive base around state issues. 

Not all that many Congressmen have successfully run for governor here, and you can see why.  Davis' opponent and his backers exploited that fact that many Democrats who are progressive on federal issues, and fairly engaged, don't understand or care about state issues.  On state issues, Davis was absolutely as good as we were going to get.  Yes, his message wasn't as refined as it could/should have been, but the audience was also deeply divided.  And, mark my words, even if Davis had voted in favor of the health care bill, there were other federal issues his opponents would have used for the same purpose.  Health care was especially effective because it was more current, but the forces who opposed Davis would have found another wedge, health care or not.  His campaign should have been more agressive early on to try and control that "Davis is essentially a Republican" narrative.  Which is bunk, of course, but if you repeat it often enough, some people will believe it.  See Bush, George W.

"Being a candidate whose voting record and philosophy is not monolithically liberal is going to cost you in the Democratic primary.  My campaign should have done a better job of countering them. ... Our message was not sufficiently attractive to core Democratic voters."

"I did not do a good enough job convincing progressive voters in the Democratic primary that this was a progressive candidacy."

"We as Democrats are leaving on the table some people who would be Democrats in other states."


"There is a difference between the progressive community that organizes around state issues like constitutional reform and the progressive community that organizes around federal issues.  Sometimes those aren't the same sets of people. ...  Ultimately, I do think a progressive base can be built in this state around state issues.  Now my campaign failed to do that.  That was one of the conspicuous failings of my campaign."

"We failed to energize voters who care about tax reform who care about constitutional reform and who care about ethics reform and we failed to frankly even make the case to the Democratic base that those are progressive issues. ...  In this campaign, 'progressiveness' came to be defined as where you stood on health care reform and, to a lesser extent, where you stood on gambling.  ... The failing of my campaign was its inability to make a case to core Democratic voters that tax reform and constitutional reform are bedrock progressive issues."

That's exactly why we need to keep having discussions about what constitute progressive issues in Alabama, and add to those discussions a healthy component of 'how can we capture the germ of this argument in 15 words or less.'

Congressman Davis left us with this thought:

"A better candidate and a better champion of these causes will come along and when that better champion, that better candidate comes along then you will see the party move in a different direction." 

A better candidate and a better champion will undoubtedly come along -- someday.  Will Alabama Democrats recognize him or her?  Or -- and this is my real fear -- will the next champion of progress in Alabama be a Republican?  Because progress is a bipartisan issue in any normal political environment.

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Reading this interview makes me (4.00 / 1)

even sadder.  What an eloquent, gracious man.  Alabama is truly the loser in this election.

And while he unhesitatingly takes the blame, in my opinion, he did get his messages across if you bothered to listen and had the ability to comprehend. 

I'm sorry if it sounds elitist, but the mass public is not S M A R T.  That's why we get the George W Bushes, the Jeff Sessions, and the Sarah Palins.

 



We just got lucky with Barack Obama (0.00 / 0)

... who is also S.M.A.R.T.

Artur Davis is well informed, thoughtful, honest and an all around class act.  Missed opportunity for the state.



Work harder and work smarter!

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Thank you for this piece (4.00 / 1)

How many candidates do you know that would sit for this type of interview within the first 24 hours of a large defeat?  Very few.  While there are various thoughts on why Davis lost, the point of view from the candidate can be helpful.

And some of these thoughts are important. Many of us are still interested in the platform Davis advocated, including a constitutional convention to address the 1901 Constutition and ethics reform that addresses not only conflicts of interest but campaign financing.  It is important for these causes to see 1) the difficulty in making a simple pitch for them (much more complex than one word answers), and 2) what impact they might have had on the loss, and 3) where do we go from here to advocate for these issues. 

The "elevator pitch" aspect in addressing a complex message has also been true over the past number of years with reform efforts. One of the things that hurt the education reform efforts of '93-94 as well as Amendment One in 2003 was a lack of this short, concise message that countered the message of opponents (just say no).

Based on that, I pose a couple of questions:

  • How do we develop "elevator pitch" messages for reform.
  • How do we tie these issues of progressive reform to the citizens?
  • Where do we go from here?


I was so pleased that Davis took pains to say the fault was with the campaign, not the message (0.00 / 0)

Because the reform message is such an important one for Alabama's future, and it would have been so easy for him to say, 'Well, voters rejected the idea of reform.'  He believes it can be done and will be done, but he failed to do it.  And his attempt at least gives reform advocates a starting point for how to talk about these issues statewide.

Your questions are important ones, but I can only offer an answer to the last one:

Where do we go from here?  Anywhere we want, as long as we don't take our ball and go home.

 



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We discussed that with him some in the interview. (4.00 / 1)

And I just got off a LONG early morning work conference call, so I don't know how much Mooncat included.  But I was there for the interview.

I remarked that Constitution Reform is absolutely be bedrock of so many other progressive issues in Alabama, but trying to explain why in 25 words or less is impossible.  You need to sit people down for 10-15 minutes minimum.

Davis agreed.  He said that he could make the case for Constitution reform to a room full of people because he could lay out the issues and explain them.  But that it took time and their attention.  Something you don't have in a 30-second radio ad or TV news sound bite.

Your three questions, csduke, are the ones we all have to get to work on.  Fortunately, we have many thoughtful, serious, and incredibly intelligent people here at LIA and I know we can do it. 

Most of us are here because we care a LOT about the future of the state.  And there are times when what's best for the state is NOT what's best for the Alabama Democratic Party. Aided by the lunatic fringe elements of the state Republican Pary, the ADP has been successful by maintaining a defensive posture: "Vote for us because those other people are worse!"

That message is getting old and frayed.  Instead of being "not as bad," it's time for the ADP to be a positive alternative.

Let's quit circling the wagons and line them up to go forward instead.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Excellent interview; well written diary as always (4.00 / 4)

My thoughts are somewhat scattered (no shock there).  I believe Artur Davis is dead wrong about the Health Care Reform vote.  Yes, the race opened up again after that vote, but people were still talking about it and the more they talked...

It wasn't just the HCR vote, though.  He failed labor, he dissed gays, he simply did not support the agenda of Progressives in a visible way. He never had a chance to win without Progressives, because - guess what?- he offended the right by the simple fact of his race. Piss off the left (or a large portion thereof) when the right is automatically excluded, and there is no formula for victory left.

The theory that his campaign lacked a sound-bite or "elevator message" is valid, I think.  Obama also lacked a substantive sound-bite, because deep thinkers cannot put their thoughts into 30 second messages.  But Obama had "Hope and Change" and "Yes, we can!" going for him, as well as the amazing gift of an addled, confused old fogey, coupled with a loose cannon nutcase running mate. Although Sparks often seemed addled and confused to us, his message made as much sense as most Alabama voters can process anyway. And besides, Alabama actually voted for the McCain-Palin disaster, so one wonders how crazy is too crazy.

In a nutshell, many of us who voted for Artur did so reluctantly and with little enthusiasm.  He never had our full-throated approval and outreaching support.  He suffered from that lack.  Not sure it would have been enough, but at least he would have given himself a chance.

Supporting Ron Sparks is going to be a real reach for me, but as long as I don't look too closely and he stays off the Gelnn Beck show,  I suppose I will.  Maybe even put out a yard sign. And I expect my LiA community to do the same, because the choice of Bradley Byrne is no choice at all.



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Note. (0.00 / 0)
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 My comments are now being deleted.  All I say is that the penchant for overanalysis is a sight to behold here.

 Davis ran Right.  Davis got walloped.  Those who've worshipped him like a god here are fishing for every answer except the obvious one.

 This used to be a site for Progressives in Alabama.  Now it's just an Artur Davis Worshipfest.  You, p'heart and a couple of other real Dems are the exception to the sad rule.

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oh please, continue (0.00 / 0)

because your snark-fest reflects so much more on your character than anyone else's.

What's been deleted?  Paranoia doesn't become you either.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Your comments are being deleted? (0.00 / 0)
I am assured they are not.  Please explain.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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I assure you, piggieheart (4.00 / 1)

they're everywhere!

But if you drop much the same comment over and over and thread after thread, it's easy to lose track.

I know that I've though I was replying to one comment and then realized belatedly that I had hit "reply" in the wrong place.

How's the census?  I was in the post office a few weeks ago getting post card stamps to send out Jeremy Sherer mailers and this frazzled looking enumerator came in trying to find 2 addresses that didn't exist.  They were on her list but there was no mailbox or house.

She looked totally exhausted and I thought of your adventures!



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Good grief, BenGoshi! (4.00 / 3)

"Worshiped him like a god"? You sound like a right-winger talking about Obama supporters.  I saw much more enthusiastic and uncritical support for Obama around the blogosphere in 2008, but I never bought into the wingnut meme that people worshiped him.  Did you?

No candidate is going to be perfect on every issue, and each voter has to make a decision based on what he or she considers to be most important.  Some folks here chose Sparks, some chose Davis.  You left in a huff, and now you're back to gloat?  That doesn't say much about your character or your maturity, and it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about Sparks to see one of his supporters act this way.  Perhaps you should spend your time in the comments section at al.com.  The tone there would suit you, and Sparks might even put you on the astroturf payroll.



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In another thread (4.00 / 1)

I referred to Sparks' plan to "woo" Davis voters and listed a few ways to "woo" me.

One of them was: "For the love of God, stay off the Glen Beck show!"

Hopefully, he will because that previous performance was truly dreadful.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Davis said: (4.00 / 2)

"There is a difference between the progressive community that organizes around state issues like constitutional reform and the progressive community that organizes around federal issues."

So true, as has been pointed out in comments on another post here.

And to take it a step further, there is a difference in the progressive that organizes around local issues.  Our Bessemer elections are coming up this summer, and we need leaders that believe and who will work on historical preservation, community gardens, neighborhood revitalization, working with the business community.

It's sad when a local city is so poorly run that "progressive" means regular things like working to build up your communities, but that is what it has come to.

So we wear our different progressive hats depending on circunstance, I guess.  and sometimes our work on one level (Federal) of issues, causes us to rank that type of progressivism higher than say, state or local. 

Not really sure where I'm going with that.  It could be a sort of confession or it could be a warning that for me, local issues are about to take the lead.



Local issues touch people in a more immediate manner. (4.00 / 1)

That's an excellent start for coalition building and one we tend to ignore.  But when we're out in the community working on something like a zoning fight, raising money for a new library branch in our neighborhood, etc., we're building connections with people.

And even if they don't call themselves "progressive" or even "Democrats," you've built a relationship and credibility with them.  So when Rush or Glen Beck starts foaming about "the socialist left" or how Democrats aren't for "family values" as they define them, etc... The people who have worked with you on the library or litter cleanup or whatever have another frame of reference - not just the right-wing frame.

Like when we joined the Tea party people, local GOP, North Alabama Health Care group, A&M young Democrats, and others to protest Parker Griffith.  There we all were, chatting away.  The lady I was standing next to was astonished when I mentioned my recent anniversary present - a new shotgun.

"But, aren't you a Democrat?  And you have guns?"  She was astonished.  Because of course, all she'd ever heard was the NRA party line.  It was a small thing, but from small things, big things grow.

I know.  I'm a gardener struggling with the fact what we have 32 baby zucchini about to get ripe all at the same time.... :-)



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Artur Davis Loss (4.00 / 2)

This is not the best day for a first post, but I just got my registration working. 

I fooled with the primary, and it fooled me back.  Sparks got my vote , and that of my wife, entirely because of Artur Davis' failure to support the President on HCR.  (We expected Ron Sparks to lose, and then we would change the sign in our lawn to Mr. Davis--but we wanted to make the HCR point.)  Of the candidates who spoke here in Dothan, Mr. Sparks made very good sense, but we missed Mr. Davis. 

For perspective, think of me as a retired  carpetbagging JFK/RFK hardhatish lefty looking to avoid Blue Dogs and Dixiecrats.

Joe Magerac, Dothan

 



Ding! Ding! First time comment here! (4.00 / 2)

Welcome Joe!!  I'm sorry you had trouble with your registration.  We keep talking about doing some "how to" pages and maybe now, post-primary, we'll get around to it.

I'm delighted to have a new commenter from Dothan. That's an area that I personally don't know much about and we need people all over the state keeping an eye on things and alerting us to good candidates - and dreadful ones.

Again, WELCOME!



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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New Poster (4.00 / 2)

Thanks--

I'm starting to figure out the posting and dinging rules.  Dothan is a strange political environment for me, still haven't figured it out after 25 yrs.  I'll probably be an erratic poster (might not post frequently, either).



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You won't be the only erratic poster here, Joe. (4.00 / 1)
We have eccentrics, too.

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Are you talking to ME? (0.00 / 0)


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Too easy! (0.00 / 0)
"The struck pig squeals."

Work harder and work smarter!

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Good questions, good answers (4.00 / 2)

Sounds a bit to me like Davis wasn't satisfied with his campaign's guidance as much as his own performance for awhile, which is why he has such ready answers on a lot of the questions.

I just think it boils down to: his was not the campaign for the job and it's refreshing that he's aware of that reality. Democrats MUST get back ground-level, bare knuckle, populist politics and quit this Republican-lite crap. Republican and Republican-lite ideology has damn near finished off this country. 

 



"This is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. This is about the whole system being against us." - an Occupy protester at Obama's Des Moines office.

you can always sum it up (4.00 / 1)
in 100 words and I swear, I take 500 just to get going.  :-)

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Atrur's loss... (0.00 / 0)

Artur lost the election because he failed to support the Healthcare Reform bill so desparately needed by his own 7th District constituents and others.   He laid low; politics as usual and was able to side step this milestone legisilation. 

Whenever I discussed Healthcare Reform with Artur (2-3 times), he had no passion for it.  He could have done much to advance it's cause.

He admits in the article that the polls were an unreliable indicator so he cannot dismiss out of hand that Healthcare didn't destroy his candidacy in this primary.

He turned his back on those who needed him and regardless of any so-called deals with Hoyer or Pelosi, he needed to take the correct stand--do the right thing.  People saw this recalcitrace as politics as usual.

It's quite telling that he "will not run again for public office."  My guess is that he knew that an African-American had no chance of winning a state wide election in Alabama (lamentable, but probably true).  Had he gotten the nomination, the run for Governor would have enhanced his marketability, and hence his earnings power in the private sector.  I believe he used his candiacy at the expense of others that were more electable in the general for personal gain.

Ed Savela/Vestavia Hills



Mmm (4.00 / 1)
Davis will have no problem doing whatever he wants.  Guess what Alabama, most of you are still poor, dumb and hopeless.  As an Alabamian, this was the State's loss not davis'.  He will be fine and by the way Sparks will be incinerated in Nov anyway. 

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The lesson is don't take on the ADC in the primary (4.00 / 1)

I think the lesson is you cannot take on the ADC in the Democratic primary.  Voting no on healthcare gave the ADC the ammo it needed.  Also, the "I don't need you, ADC" reaction by Artur only made things worse.  Moreover, the ADC had to show it still mattered after Hillary lost the primary here.

The kind of GOTV that interest groups like the ADC does is what does not show up in polls.  To me, this makes "the ADC effect" the most likely cause for the election result.

Artur's supporters were not fired up, and Artur's speaking style failed to fire up his supporters.   Alabama folks like the "setting the woods on fire," populist speaking style of Sparks and his many predecessors.



It's the latter part (4.00 / 1)

of what you said that was the primary factor, more so than the ADC.

There are a lot of young people who don't know what the ADC is and that group could and should have been energized and they weren't. A lot of that ultimately falls squarely on the shoulders of the candidate and campaign.

The ADC was not Mount Olympus in this case.



"This is not a Republican or a Democratic issue. This is about the whole system being against us." - an Occupy protester at Obama's Des Moines office.

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Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
Sparks' speaking style is that of a Meth head or a brain damaged car accident victim.  If that is what Alabamians like then they are the idiots the world claim them to be.

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Well, he is from north Alabama, after all! Haha!

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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I've taken some time off from politics and news in general since Tuesday. One of the things I'm having to do is get my head around what the political reality of this fall will be and where, as a Democrat, I go from here.

If I'm even still in Alabama this fall, can't just eschew the way Ron Sparks personally treated me, but I want to vote for a Democrat. That blue brand is a large part of who I am.

The next few weeks are going to be a soul searching time for me.



"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

there are some good people on the ticket (4.00 / 1)

who didn't have primary opposition but will need help and volunteers.  Use your "blue" energy to give them a boost. 

A few months ago, Mooncat and I interviewed Mac Parsons, who's running for Supreme Court.  They guy is a hoot and smart to boot.  We have video but haven't cut it yet.  

There was just SO MUCH to do with the contested primary races.  But now, we can start taking a look at the other races too.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Let me put it this way (0.00 / 0)

With a Republican you are guaranteed that state services will be slashed.

 With Sparks we get legal gambling across the board, from bingo halls to a chance for full blown casinos and a chance that other solutions will be sought before we begin cutting all the state programs that are so vital to our citizens

 If that ain't enough motivation to vote for the best nominee since Don Siegelman I don't know what else to say.



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What if you're not in favor of legalized gambling? I don't care about the religious or social aspects of it. It's a regressive "tax" against the poor and will hurt the state in the long run. The average profit margins will take decades to be anything other than marginal.



"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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To go on, I've lived in Montgomery most of my life-- which is near Victoryland. Then, when I was in college in Tuscaloosa, I lived near Greenetrack.

Two days a month these facilities raise their winning percentage-- the day of and the day after welfare checks are issued. The rest of the month, they're cranked up to be almost impossible to win. The people who play bingo win big, then when they feel like they're lucky, they go back and lose it all.



"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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Progress! (4.00 / 2)

Regular readers of this blog know that my personal politics and stark political realities bear little resemblence to one another.  I feel the need to opine: The FAILED DAVIS CANDIDACY and the ideals espoused by same represent the most progressive option for governor I've ever voted for.  Constitutional reform and Windows 7 were my ideas.  Not kissing Joe Reed's ring was his.

 

"Because progress is a bipartisan issue in any normal political environment." Emphasis mine...and that's all I've got to say about that.



I liked the not kissing anybody's ring part of the Davis candidacy (0.00 / 0)

But the health care vote did give Reed and Co. a big open sore to pick at.  And speaking competely honestly, it dampened the enthusiasm of Davis' supporters for quite a while.  That was the thing that really doomed Davis -- he didn't have the advocates he needed in the final 6 weeks of the race when average people started paying attention. 

Yes, his message could have been tighter and the low Dem turnout favored Sparks -- that's a combination of post-holiday scheduling and lack of enthusiasm -- but the lack of voices speaking on his behalf really hurt him.



Work harder and work smarter!

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the bottom line (4.00 / 1)
he made perhaps the biggest political miscalculation any of us have ever seen.

politics is all about timing and he completely missed the mark

 


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Really (4.00 / 1)
So how did hit the mark because wasn't really anything he said or knows.  That can barely fill a pin head.  He was just the other person on the ballot and every one knows he can't do the job he is seeking.  Besides the Feds will get to him before November anyway.

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How DARE you! (0.00 / 0)
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 St. Artur can/could do NOTHING wrong!  It was the voters' fault!  Damn Democrats!  Damn Progressives!

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Ignatius, your bus is leaving.... n/t (0.00 / 0)


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Stop it, CC (0.00 / 0)


Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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Stop it, BG! (0.00 / 0)


Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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I'd put that a little differently (4.00 / 1)

The timing of everything did not help Davis as well as it could have.  Had the Congress not taken up health care legislation this session, then Davis likely runs a campaign focused more on the vision of the state rather than engaging Sparks, and he likely wins.

 



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Internal divisions (4.00 / 1)

I am struck by the wide gap between those posting on this site and the minority voters in Alabama.  I understand the considerable abilities and attractions of Artur Davis.  I also understand the perception of most black voters that he betrayed and, indeed, insulted them: betrayed by voting against health care; insulted by courting white organizations (the Eagle Forum for chrissakes!) while refusing even to appear at any of  the four major African American political organizations -- even refusing to appear on African American media, according to Rowland Martin.

In Jefferson County, Davis lost every African American precinct except one, while he won heavily among white Democratic voters in places like Mountain Brook, Southside and Vestavia, and in Shelby County.  Davis lost among white Democrats in the UMW precints.  

I don't really see much of a future in building a progressive movement in Mountain Brook, Southside, Vestavia, and Shelby County.  There sure isn't a future for those who demean and insult the intelligence of the voters in the African American and labor precincts.  

We need to respect others in the Democratic Party and learn to work with them. 



Ding! Ding! First time comment here! (4.00 / 1)

Welcome olddog!  Glad to have you at LIA!

We've had a lot of new folks drop by in the last few days and it's great.

I will say though that to get respect, you need to give it.  And I don't see much respect for progressive causes coming out of the ADP and some of the powerful interest groups inside it.

They ignored party rules and kept Roy Moore and Parker Griffith apologist, Charley Grimsley, on the ticket.  ADC endorsed Herman Thomas (the spanking judge). What the heck was that?  While foaming at the mouth about Davis' health care vote, both Reed and Sanders said nary a word against the white Democrats in the Senate who voted to opt out of the health care bill (every single one of them voted with the GOP). With Reed and Sanders, the Davis thing was personal; it's hypocritical to pretend otherwise.

Furthermore, the party seems completely disinterested in party building on the local levels.  Where do we see them actively recruiting candidates to challenge every seat in every office now held by Republicans?  Look at how many GOP legislators are running unopposed.

We're running on fumes and relying on old names and political retreads to get us over the finish line.  We're playing defense in voter excitement, fundraising, and recruitment.

After you've controlled things for over 100 years and still have a regressive tax structure, low educational achievement, and lagging economic development, the "vote for us because the other guys are worse" arguement wears thin with most voters.

Not with the informed Democrats who pay close attention and realize that some elements of the state GOP are really and truly crazy.  But it doesn't resonate with independents and swing voters when the GOP nominates someone who appears relatively moderate and sane.  Bradley Byrne is the nightmare candidate.

The party has failed to articulate a positive message of change and it's hurting us.

the ADP leadership will get my respect and admiration when they display some interest in addressing the systemic problems within the party and stop appearing indifferent or even hostile to suggestions for change.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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While I some of your points resonant... (4.00 / 1)

Other points such as piling Southside with Mountain Brook, Vestavia Hills, and Shelby County is wrong.  Southside is the only place in the entire state of Alabama where a person running for office where they can be a coherent progressive with no allegiance to any special interest.  Homewood to a certain extent is the same.  However, until these groups and pseudo-leaders realize they are the cause of segmentation and stagnation then Alabama will continue to see its number of Democrats holding public office shrink. 

The Alabama Democratic Party is its own worst enemy and Davis was a symptom of this as I've said in the past.  He was one forced into an awkward position where he would have either seem disingenuous to either primary voters or general election voters.  That's being black and running for statewide office for ya.  You can't win for losing in this state when you are a black politician running for a political office with an at-large constituency.   

OFF THE RECORD: The biggest enemies of the black voters in Alabama (and everywhere in general) isn't conservative whites politicians or conservative whites.  It's the deeply-entrenched special interest groups riding on the coattails of the Civil Rights movement 5 decades later still attempting to hold that over black voters' heads as a ode to lifelong allegiance to their causes. 

Until I see these very groups get off their asses and do something about how black LGBT/SGLs essentially excommunicated socially and politically because of their relentless kowtowing to the regressive stances on social issues then you will continue apathy to such broad based agendas.  Many of those individuals are the very ones that hold wealth and higher education attainment, but doesn't want to be involved in the causes because they don't believe in coalescing with those groups because they support regressive views and the continuation of ignorance on social issues amongst black voters. 



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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more on divisions (4.00 / 1)

I thought I'd get a rise by lumping the white Democrats in Southside wtih the white Democrats in Moutain Brook et al.   I did so because most African American voters in Alabama they're pretty much the same.  (I'm talking about the liberals in both areas, not the whole poppulations.)  White voters in Southside may be more hip, but they vote the same way -- with us when it's convenient.  And vice versa.    

I know that I'm  overgeneralizing on all sides.  I'm sure -- actually I know - that there are many white Democrats in Southside and Mountain Brook who care more for social democracy than for social issues, and there are  many African Americans who care more about LGBT issues that, say, food stamps.

I realized long ago that I am not the swing voter, the voter that really matters.  I'm way out there on the lonely left, and no one is ever going to win by appealing to me. 

Making a majority takes some give and take and some mutual tolerance if not respect.  Our interests are not identical; they are overlapping.  The idea is to get to a majority.  We need to back each other up, not cut each other down. 



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If and only if (4.00 / 1)
The majority black Alabamians do vote in a similar manner then it is because the majority of the more educated and divergent in views have vacated the state upon graduating either from high school or college.

I say this because black voters in general aren't that homogeneous or collectivist in voting patterns. 



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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African American voters (4.00 / 1)
This appears to be one of many posts on this site that indicate a belief that African Americn voters lack intelligence. 

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Not really (4.00 / 1)
It just the majority of those who show up to the polls like most voters seem to vote emotionally rather than logically. 

"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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If you're in Birmingham, it's not that lonely on the left, is it? (4.00 / 1)

Birmingham seems to be a beacon in the fog in some ways.   But we have LIA folks in Marshall County, Etowah, and parts South who report that they feel like they're so far out of touch they might as well be on Mars.

I agree that it won't be in my lifetime that the "lonely left" is a majority, but it can be less lonely and have more influence.  I'm for raising a ruckus a little bit (or more than a little) and require that the party that wants my hard work and vote do something for it in return - like take at least one important issue seriously.  Ethics reform, campaign finance reform, Constitution reform, pick a reform - any reform - and seriously make it part of the agenda.

THAT will get me excited - and respectful!  :-)

If we keep being nice, showing up for work, and giving money, then why should they pay attention to us?

What do you suggest is the best way?  During some really thoughtful discussions over the past few days, people have suggested a movement to push progressive candidates for every county and SDEC seat (sounds good), start work on a progressive coalition dedicated to reform first (a long-term project to be sure), and doing the "plague on both your houses" apathy thing (more relaxing, but I doubt many of us could sit on the sidelines for long).

 



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Honestly, I have to say that Birmingham is the most conservative city in the state. The fog comes from Birmingham. It doesn't clear there.

I have to suffer here in Montgomery because of the shitty political decisions made in Birmingham.



"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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heavy sigh.... (4.00 / 1)

I've learned SO MUCH the last few days here.

It's great in some ways, depressing in others....



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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Please elaborate on that. (4.00 / 1)
 

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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coalitions (4.00 / 2)

Building a coalition of good government issues like constitutional reform -- which really would be great -- certainly is long-term work, and I applaud those engaged in it, adn who are willing to spend the years in the wilderness necessary to reach that worthy goal. 

Meanwhile, there are reforms that need to be undertaken in the short term -- removing the sales tax on food and many others that affect the lives of the low- and middle-income Alabamians every day.  Those issues involve creating a very different coalition.

When I think of the "left", I think of economic issues and social democracy.  Commenters on this site seem to be mre focused on a good government agenda -- a progressive as opposed to left agenda. 

  



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I think most people here are interested in both (4.00 / 2)

But my belief is that we won't get the economic issues and social democracy issues addressed UNTIL we get some of the good govenment stuff in place.

Real tax reform, educational progress, local control, etc. require Constitution reform and ethics reform.  

Right now, the Legislature is captive to big money interests with agendas that aren't always "what's best for Alabama as a whole" - and that includes AEA.  Hubbert is good at what he does, but his job and priority is AEA - not Alabama in general.

The Republicans aren't the impediment to progress.  Democrats controlled the Legislature for a LONG, LONG time before we got a GOP surge of senators and house members.  And it's the white rural Democratic legislatures - not all, certainly, but MANY - who have blocked progress on economic and social reforms.  Just look at the fact that EVERY white Democratic senator voted to "opt out" of the health care bill.

They're kept in office by large contributions and have no incentive to change anything.  The system as it is benefits them just fine and dandy.

I want the "liberal" reforms you mention - in a big way! - but I don't see us getting them with getting a start on the "good government" progressive issues.

I'm thinking we all share 90% (at least) of the same goals: the difference is priorities and tactics.



"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."  - John Kenneth Galbraith




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cooperation (4.00 / 2)

Well, let's work on them both at the same time.

 I am not sanguine abotu the prosepcts for much needed constitutional reform in my lifetime.  I think we have to deal with the world as it is, and that means forming alliances with people we wish were better. 

But if you form a parade, I'll beat the drum



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While some of your points resonant... (4.00 / 1)

Other points such as piling Southside with Mountain Brook, Vestavia Hills, and Shelby County is wrong.  Southside is the only place in the entire state of Alabama where a person running for office where they can be a coherent progressive with no allegiance to any special interest.  Homewood to a certain extent is the same.  However, until these groups and pseudo-leaders realize they are the cause of segmentation and stagnation then Alabama will continue to see its number of Democrats holding public office shrink. 

The Alabama Democratic Party is its own worst enemy and Davis was a symptom of this as I've said in the past.  He was one forced into an awkward position where he would have either seem disingenuous to either primary voters or general election voters.  That's being black and running for statewide office for ya.  You can't win for losing in this state when you are a black politician running for a political office with an at-large constituency.   

OFF THE RECORD: The biggest enemies of the black voters in Alabama (and everywhere in general) isn't conservative whites politicians or conservative whites.  It's the deeply-entrenched special interest groups riding on the coattails of the Civil Rights movement 5 decades later still attempting to hold that over black voters' heads as a ode to lifelong allegiance to their causes. 

Until I see these very groups get off their asses and do something about how black LGBT/SGLs essentially excommunicated socially and politically because of their relentless kowtowing to the regressive stances on social issues then you will continue apathy to such broad based agendas.  Many of those individuals are the very ones that hold wealth and higher education attainment, but doesn't want to be involved in the causes because they don't believe in coalescing with those groups because they support regressive views and the continuation of ignorance on social issues amongst black voters. 



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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Amen, Kayman, Amen (4.00 / 1)

Dont loose hope.  Joe reed, Hank Sanders and "Dick" arrington will all be dead from old age very soon.  We can wait and seize the opportunity because they are so weak that without money form lobbyists they could not exist.  The day of their rewards is approaching.

I look forward to not voting for Gov in Nov.



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Yeah, well (4.00 / 3)

I agree with a lot of what you are saying regarding the social issues and all. We are fixing to shake up the Bessemer, AL political scene over these very things.  The political machines, the ADC, the CCB (Concerned Citizens of Bessemer) are going to find out that there are progressive blacks and whites during our local elections here this summer.  New mayor, new council, here we come.

As for those bragging about sitting at home in November and not voting, well you will be part of the problem, because progress is always, always, about doing the best you can with what you have got.

Whoever is elected, or whoever is in a runnoff, we have to continue to try to influence them, to vote for the best (however bad) choice, and working toward the next election.

But sitting at home griping gets nothing done.



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Just added Bessemer Opinions to my (4.00 / 1)

must read blog list.  Sorry I didn't find it earlier!



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Had Davis won I'd have held my nose and voted for the twit. It seems, though, that... (0.00 / 1)
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 his devoted sycophants (many of them) have no intention of doing anything as simple as voting in order to keep Byrne, James or Bentley out of the Governor's Mansion.

 So it goes.

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Well, interestingly enough (4.00 / 2)

Is sycophant your buzzword of the moment?  You know shill, lackey, flunkey, groupies, or zealots would work just fine.  Remember when you are attempting to insult them with such grandiose terms have a little more diversity, ***wink***

I've been saying for awhile I'm quite ambivalent of the 2010 gubernatorial race and the fact I'm not even in Alabama at the moment (and won't be for awhile) doesn't faze me at all.  However, I knew what the outcome of this primary was going to be thus reaffirming my point about the ADP.  

If those individuals who chose to stay home, well, that's their prerogative since they don't feel that Ron Sparks isn't worth their vote.  Hell, partisanship for the sake of partisanship isn't everything to everyone.  In Alabama, turnout can guarantee the success or dooming of anyone's candidacy of most Alabama Democrats (like Davis). 

So place the blame on the Sparks campaign lack of enthusiastic platform since it was suppose to been alternative to Davis (and an attempt to show Davis what a 'tard he is) and (oh yeah) Sparks' promise of bring gambling. 

I must say, I might become a schadenfreude of the entire Alabama Democratic Party establishment, so they'll learn that vindictiveness isn't the route to candidacy or to the win a race. 

 



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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I haven't heard a lot of LiA people say (4.00 / 1)
they won't vote in the General.  I intend to do just what I would have done had Davis won, that is get a yard sign, talk to my neighbors and try to put Ron Sparks in the state house.  Will I be happy about it?  No!  Would I have been happy doing it for Artur Davis?  No.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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Wrong (0.00 / 0)
The groups Davis ignored, rightfully, are nothing more than a ragtag collection of mental slaves.  They sold their integrity long ago and don't like that Davis wasn't interested in them and their lack of intelligence.  Davis never spoke to the Eagle Forum and that like so many stupid comments made after the fact are lies of the lite minded.  To hell with the Dem party of Alabama.  Only here would morons vote for a dim witted, half drunk, corrupt and soon to be saughtered piece of crap like Ron Sparks.  Nov can't come soon enough and he will really see what being crushed is all about.

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Like the "rag tag" 7th Congressional District. -nt- (0.00 / 0)


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Well, you are wrong in saying that only Alabama would elect (4.00 / 1)
such a **&%(*$# piece of ^%$*.  Look around you Takenoprisoners. Look at Saxby Chambliss in Georgia, Mark Sanford and Jim DeMint in South Carolina, Rand Paul in Kentucky, etc. The entire South is looking to try to out-ridiculous each other.  But even Sparks is better than Byrne, so I will vote for the gentleman.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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You ake Excellent Observations (0.00 / 0)
My response is: why should we be morons like the other states and continue the path to nowhere.

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The response to you (by the LiA stalwarts): (0.00 / 0)
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 Eyes shut tight, fingers in ears, singing, "La, la, la, la, la we can't hear you!"

 Either that or tedious paragraph heaped upon tedious paragraph trying to rationalize the "Good Sense" of (1) Davis' unapologetic run to the Right in a Democratic Primary; and, (2) the Gurus of a supposedly Progressive blog thinking that that was just dandy.

 The mind, indeed, boggles.

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BG, have you returned only to dance around gloating that Davis lost? (4.00 / 1)
We know!  We get it.  You have so damned much to contribute, please do so, or go back into your self-imposed exile.  This is embarrassing and you are so much better than this.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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I'm reminded of the Paultards who came out en force to recruit us Hillary Clinton supporters against Barack Obama.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." ~ Dr. Seuss

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Your final point raises a question I want to address (4.00 / 1)

About 10 years ago, the Birmingham News gave a list of 5 Democrats to watch.  From what I remember (I can't fid the article right now), the list included Artur Davis, Stephen Black, Susan Parker, and possibly Joe Turnham, Marsha Folsom, and Lucy Baxley (though I am not positive about it).  If you look at this list, two are in public office right now (Baxley and Parker on the PSC).  Perhaps Black and Davis will run again at some poitn, and Marsha Folsom might as well.  

I raise this point to offer this question: who would make a list of Democrats to watch over this next decade?  (Two who should be on that list are Josh Segall and Jeremy Sherer).  Who are the people who will help to articulate a progressive vision that will address state issues?  And finally, what pathways does the state party, or progressives independent of the state party, need to put into place to support candidates for office.

 



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I'd add (4.00 / 1)
Greg Warner and Carl Cole to that list...

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Should have been Greg Warren! Sorry!! (4.00 / 1)


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talent for the future (4.00 / 1)

Jeff McLaughlin

Quinton Ross

Isabel Rubio

Stephen Black



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Disagree (0.00 / 0)
Ross is dead in the water with previous stances statewide and Rubio is too polarizing.  Black possibly but he is a slightly stiffer version of Sherer so he would be a long shopt statewide. 

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Making an impact outside politics (0.00 / 0)

Stephen Black lost an election a few years ago and has been pretty successful at doing good, important work outside of politics.  He is making progress, outside the system.  I know Black was heavily recruited to run for statewide office in 2010 and decided to stay put.  Kind of reminiscent of the way Al Gore decided he was able to do more good outside the system than in it.  I suspect Davis is quite serious about not running again -- did you notice that he said the party rejected him?  My sense is that he hasn't lost the desire to work for change, but he's going to do it outside the system.

That's a classic response to a system that is dysfunctional -- work outside it.  Josh Segall has certainly left the door open to run for office again, but I would not be at all surprised if he finds a way to make a difference outside the system and if he succeeds, he'll be tempted to stick with it instead of sticking his neck out again.  Susan Parker and Lucy Baxley are both on the PSC -- statewide positions that don't actually have much power -- and Parker has passed up two opportunities to run for Congress.  Marcia Folsom hasn't shown any inclination to run again, more's the pity, and Joe Turnham is not what we need, IMHO.

Where are the rising stars, they young folks who are being elected locally?  I don't think they're even being recruited in most counties, let alone supported.  We recently had a very promising young judicial candidate drop out here in North Alabama.  I suspect lack of support was a big factor there and it's a shame -- he's the kind of person who would have been ready to move up in a few years.  The bench is not what it ought to be and the head coach isn't recruiting either.



Work harder and work smarter!

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That's what many young people are doing these days (4.00 / 1)

Mooncat, in Alabama, there seems to be an environment of not only social conservative and aversion to change or progress rather a true sense of conserving things as it for the sake of preservation a perceived partisan majority.  Many Democratic party leaders in Alabama seem to harbor a sense of distrust and animosity towards young, educated, and many times up-in-coming stars of the ADP.  They would rather engage many of them with insults or degradation of intelligence since the ideas aren't originally theirs or because they chose not to "wait their turn".  This generational sift is going to cost Alabama dearly because this is one of the reasons why you see so many either choosing to be obscure or leaving.  Many of these 'power players' will attempt to destroy the professional reputation of the youth.  I've witness such craziness first hand more than once to know it does occurs more often than people want to acknowledge.  

I'll say like a friend of mine who had moved here from Chicago but feels like this state is unwelcoming to newcomers in politics: "If I'm given a choice between living here and living in fear of upsetting somebody over my political positions or moving elsewhere where I along with my future children can live and speak freely without social or professional repercussions, then I'll just leave..."

She basically summed up this state's political scene acts as if its like DC when they don't have the money or the clout to throw their weigh around like that.  If somebody who isn't native to Alabama can see this then Alabama's Democrats have some major issues that need to be reconciled and quickly.



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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I love the idea of such a list. (4.00 / 2)

Beyond compiling the list, we need a way to promote and groom these folks for future responsibility.  I was bitterly disappointed when Josh dropped from his race, but that needn't be the end of his political career. Some of the others I have never heard of - no surprise as I am a relative political newbie in Alabama. Let's pursue the idea of a grooming and development process for promising Democrats.

Can we have a discussion about this? Maybe someone can write a diary on the subject.



Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

How 'bout it, csduke? Old dog? Gayla? Somebody? (4.00 / 2)
It needs its own diary so that it will be properly seen and developed.

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only then will you realize that money cannot be eaten. Cree Nation Tribal Prophecy

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I'll try when I get home. Not sure how long I'll (4.00 / 1)
be in theoffice today.  But if I'm not hurting too badly to think straight, I'll work on it when I get home to my couch.

[ Parent ]
I'm not going to be able to tackle this tonight, (0.00 / 0)
so someone else please grab it.

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