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Concerning Suing Parker Griffith for Fraud.

by: BenGoshi

Tue Dec 22, 2009 at 19:07:45 PM CST


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Fraud, by definition, is where one justifiably relies on another's misrepresentation of a material fact to their (the person who so relied) detriment.

Let's break that down:

 Justifiable reliance:
 is it justifiable that a person who donated to and/or who took time off from their job and family to work for Griffith last year was justified in relying on his representing to the world at large (let alone the people of Ala's 5th Congressional District) that he was and would remain a Democrat for (at least) his two year term?  Would Griffith argue that, no, he never overtly said he'd remain a Democrat, even though he ran for the Democratic Party's nomination and ran for a 2 Year Term as a Democrat?  Would Griffith argue that it would be unreasonable to rely upon his word because, in fact, he's a known liar and con man? I'd like to see him argue that, actually.
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Misrepresentation:
See above.  Also, I believe this is sort of a "the thing speaks for itself" thing.
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of a Material Fact: Had Griffith misrepresented his favorite color, his preference for Pinot Grigio over Shiraz, or even how he might be inclined to vote on this or that piece of legislation that would likely come up during the 111th U.S. Congress, one could hardly argue that such a lie (uh, "misrepresentation") was Material to his campaign and fund raising efforts during the Spring, Summer and Fall of 2008.  On the other hand, when one holds themselves out as a Democrat in order to win the Democratic Primary and then runs as a Democrat against a Republican, one's stated political party affiliation is somewhat at the core of one's campaign.  And, I think it's obvious, material to whether people donate to your campaign or the other guy's.
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to the detriment of the other (to the screw-ee).  Well, on the fundamental level, if one is out-of-pocket $10, $100, $1,000 or more that one would now have in-pocket but for Griffith's misrepresentation, then that appears, indeed, detrimental to one's pocketbook.  Then there's the larger issue of whether it's "detrimental" to a person who gave to, spent time off work and voted for a supposed Democrat to find out that for more than half that candidate's term they would be caucusing and strategizing with the Republican Party.  Would Griffith argue that it's not detrimental to the pocketbooks and aspirations of such Democrats for him to now caucus with the GOP?  I'd like to hear him argue that, too.
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 Well, I'd like to see this as a "test case".  I'd like to see a comprehensive Complaint (i.e., the point-by-point, paragraph-by-paragraph allegations in the lawsuit) and see what Griffith's lawyers argue in his inevitable Motion to Dismiss.  Remember, such Motion would be coming from a Republican (now) who holds out that he believes in "personal responsibility", and not running from a fight, and in courage, blah, blah, blah . . . when, in fact, he'd hide behind his lawyer's coattails and hope that he could get out from under a lawsuit that, indeed, would be asking the Court to award the plaintiff(s) recompense for Griffith's (alleged) fraud.  You see, Griffith's the type that hates lawyers, except when they're pulling his chestnuts out of a fire of his own creation.

 Oh, and fraud cases allow plaintiffs to seek punitive damages.  Punitive damages are meant to (1) punish [duh] wrongdoing . . . here, lying; and, (2) deter similar acts of malfeasance in the future.  To "send a message to the world" that such acts will not be tolerated by society.

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"But I'm a politician!," cries Griffith. "I'm EXPECTED to lie!" (4.00 / 1)
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 I'd love to see him argue that.

 Or that he was just too stupid to study on what the Democratic Party stood for during his run-up to deciding to run for Congress or during the campaign.

 The, "But everybody knows I'm a bone-headed liar" defense.

 Heh.


"But, but - I'm a voter!" (4.00 / 2)
"Aren't you supposed to lie to me and kiss my butt?"

"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

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"Lie", no. (0.00 / 0)
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As far as anyone kissing anyone's posterior, well, it's Griffith who got mad at North Alabama Democrats (as well as the National Party) for expecting him to, well, behave with some semblance of a Democratic core, principles.  So he throws a political hissy-fit and storms off to the GOP.

Again, one would think this tool would be embarrassed!  That is, when a person contemplates running for office, you'd think that they'd kind of bone-up on what the parties stand for FIRST.  During the campaign, you'd think that the candidate would continue to study and think-over what their principles are, compared to the candidate for the other party -- and if one discovers (pretty friggin' late in the day, but, well...) during the campaign that they agree more with the other party than the one they're in, then such person would do the honorable thing and quit the race in time for the party to select another nominee.  Or, even if a now-elected Congressman "discovers" -- after 10 months in office, mind you -- that "OMG!  I'm more that party than this party!" (sheesh, how DENSE can one be to take that long?!), then, again, an Honorable person would stick it out and stick by their promise(s) for another 14 months, then change parties.

 But you see, the kind of person I'm talking about in the preceding paragraph is a person who carries with them at least a modicum of class, core values, principles, and shame.  These are qualities Griffith wholly lacks.  

 And, boy-oh-boy, does it show.


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My lips are moving, so I must be lying. (4.00 / 1)

I didn't get duped into giving to the Griffith campaign, I did however vote for the son of a bitch.  I will probably vote for whatever dog of whatever color, runs against the neocons.  In the mean time I should promote the backward views of Mo Brooks over the more moderate voice of the traitor, Parker Griffith.  Good riddance

 



Well, I got duped. (4.00 / 2)

I stood next to the s.o.b., looked right at  him, a 20 second private conversation at the Glover in Guntersville.....

 I  know what he said to me and I know that a wrote a 50 dollar check...money that's not easy to come by.  But I trusted the man's word.



I don't think it would work if you sued him, but... (0.00 / 0)

I think that if we could ever get I&R passed in Alabama, the voters could effectively yank his butt out of office early if they believe he's not representing them.

To some extent, I'd rather see a Republican in his office than him.  At least then you'll know what you're getting.  And at this point, you have a Republican in there anyway.  But after Griffith betrayed the people who voted for him, he doesn't deserve to remain in office.



It's not a matter of "working" or "not working", it's a matter of... (0.00 / 0)
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 . . . filing an action in good faith that meets all of the criteria for Fraud under Alabama Common Law and forcing Griffith (and his team of lawyers) to defend his actions via a Motion to Dismiss.  It would highlight his depravity, force him to argue that what he did was "technically" o.k. (oh?  really?!) and put his stanky feet to the fire to watch him argue that he has no obligation to be held accountable for lying people out of their hard-earned money and precious time.

 There are, by the way, "test cases" filed, well, not "all the time", but from time to time.  Also known as a case of first impression.  It's the basis of the Common Law system under which we (and English jurisprudence from which ours comes) have operated since about the year 1215.

 


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