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The Bill McBride Effect

by: jacool

Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 17:51:49 PM CST


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Without question, Artur Davis is the "star" candidate of this race. He has the star power. He mesmorizes people with his oratory. He's drawn big out of state money and big in-state endorsements like Beasley and polls seem to suggest that he is the frontrunner

 A similar situation occurred in the 2002 Florida Democratic Gubernatorial Primary. One campaign had the money and the star power. The other campaign had little money but had the support from almost all of the Florida Democratic Party organization outside of South Florida.

 You of course, know what happened. Political novice Bill McBride defeated Janet Reno in both the primary and the runoff. He would go on to lose in the fall but that election set the stage for his wife Alex Sink to be elected to statewide office in 2006.

 A very good parallel can be drawn to Alabama. Davis has the starpower. He has the big money. He's getting the national recognition. But, when it comes to the state organizations? Well, a majority of the state's Democratic sheriffs have come out for Sparks. Far more local officials have come out for Sparks than Davis. If you canvassed individual county organizations, you'd probably find more support for Sparks than Davis even with Davis's money advantage.

 And one interesting thing about Florida. There are still a number of counties in Florida where Republicans usually get over 40% of the vote to even win in most elections, but where local offices are all Democratic and so all voters register as Democratic to have a franchise there (which is different from our non-registration system). Now, just take a guess who won those counties? Bill McBride. And it held true in both black counties and white counties. You thought the black counties, out of rememberance of Clinton, would have went for Reno, but they all carried for McBride.

 Even Leon County, well reputed as a social liberal haven where Reno should have done very well, saw McBride simply crush her by margins of devastating proportions.

 We now are seeing an election where all the star power and money have lined up behind one candidate while the party machinery is behind another. We saw how that worked in Florida in 2002. Now, there are differences in this election, presence of a black candidate not the least of them, but it is a fallacy to suggest that the more well-funded candidate with national acclaim is automatically gonna just cruise to victory.

 It should be a wakeup call to Davis. To win the primary, he's going to have to do well in places like Lawrence County. He'll have to hold Sparks to under 80% in places like Lawrence. Can he do it? That is the question

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Uh, Florida and Alabama are two different states (4.00 / 1)

In a number of categories politically speaking.  Politics in Florida has a number of dynamics work from urban, ethnically diverse, and progressive politics of South Florida, politically moderate to independent Central and the Southern politics of North Florida and the Panhandle.  The dynamics between the two places are day and night since many candidates have multiple regions to battle it out over voters compared to the 2 regions (North and South) and 1 subregion (Greater Birmingham) in Alabama.  Also Alabama is more up-in-the-air on partisanship on a state-level than Florida.  People will vote for a Democrat in a primary and Republican in the general election.  

Now money does talk don't get me wrong, but here it is all about the platform and everything it entails.  People here will only listen to your campaign until they realize that you are a bunch of "hot-air", "one-liners", or "empty suit" regardless of how much money or party supporters have your back.  

Honestly, when you try to compare us to any state other than South Carolina, Louisiana, or Mississippi when it comes to intrapartisan dynamics on the Democratic side, you are already making a bad argument.  Alabama is ethnically and politically similar to those states and nearly identical to SC and LA in population size.  Florida has more ethnic diversity along with the other aforementioned factors, thus making this comparsion flawed along with fact due to those dynamics that Southern politic strategies can only work so much in the state.



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Artur Davis = Janet Reno? (0.00 / 0)

That's a serious stretch, man!  Reno was not a good public speaker, for one.  She was extremely unpopular with some people -- love her or hate her -- as a result of her tenure as U.S. AG for another.  This is apples and oranges, I think.

As an extra added bonus, I think your assertion that the party machinery will line up behind Sparks is another stretch.  I'm seeing a lot of reliable Democrats lining up behind Davis so far.  In my own county I don't see Sparks sweeping the Exec. Com. members or anything like it, and he appears to be losing the big donor wars from what I can see locally.  Of course, we'll know more about that after the disclosures come out in January.



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Sparks has received the endorsements of 28 sheriffs (0.00 / 0)

and I don't know if they included the Lauderdale guy in that announcement so that number could be 29.

 That's a majority of Alabama Democratic Sheriffs right there and usually, the sheriff is an important office in those one party counties. That Sparks has that many endorsements from that many rural sheriffs this early is a clear indictator of who they think will play best in their counties because those guys are concerned about how well the ticket will perform in their counties.



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Not to pile on, jacool, but about your description of Leon County, (4.00 / 1)

this is a county without a compass.  The capital city of a purple state does tend to lean Dem. but countywide they elect superconservative prosecutors and other local officials.  There are liberals here to be sure, but it still squats in the middle of the Bible Belt of Florida.

Agree with mooncat thet Reno's negatives gave the election to McBride, not McBride's positives.  Elian Gonzalez was HUGE in South Florida!



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OMG, I forgot about Elian Gonzales (0.00 / 0)

I'll be that was a hot issue in South Florida.

I was thinking more about Waco and the heat Reno took over the handling of that and Ruby Ridge, the Wen Ho Lee mess and general frustration over apparent lack of communication between intelligence gatherers (like the FBI) that meant various government entities had bits of info related to the 9/11 hijackers, but they weren't talking to each other.  Reno was running for Fla. governor in 2002, when that information was fresh -- as was the national wound -- and as Clinton's AG, she got tagged with blame for that, however unfairly.

I also seem to remember a certain frustration with Reno on the left because she allowed Ken Starr to keep expanding the scope of his investigation and pick at Bill Clinton for years on end, an investigation that formed a serious distraction from policymaking.

Here's a Letterman joke from that time period:

"Former Attorney General Janet Reno is talking about running for governor in Florida. Janet Reno is so unpopular in the state of Florida they will not even need to use the crooked voting machines."



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South Florida (0.00 / 0)

A few things

1. Florida Cubans are overwhelmingly Republican. The reason why there is even a Republican Party remaining in South Florida is Cuban loyalty to it.

2. South Florida primary results:

Dade: Reno 70%

Broward: Reno 64%

Palm Beach: Reno 59%

 And when you convert that into total votes?

274,111 came from these 3 counties out of her statewide total of 597,558 (apparently, there was no runoff)

Now that is 45% of the vote. Now why did she get killed? Because she lacked statewide appeal elsewhere. Despite this opinion of Florida as some kind of "diverse state", it's not as diverse as you think. Northern Florida, Central Florida and Lake Okechobee remain culturally Southern and it was in the culturally Southern areas (many of them rural counties not really different from counterparts in Alabama) where Reno got killed

 New York Florida voted for Reno. The Florida that's a part of the South (minus the Keys) voted for McBride and apparently, the "Southern" element of Florida still has more votes than the Yankee part

 So I don't think my point is all that negated



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Good analysis (0.00 / 0)

But I take execption to this assertion;

 You thought the black counties, out of rememberance of Clinton, would have went for Reno, but they all carried for McBride.

The right to vote is sacred to African Americans.  We fought to hard, bleed to much, scarificed to much and some even died for the right to vote.  We don't vote for candidates out of "rememberence".  We don't vote for candidates whose political philosophy is against our self interest.  We don't vote for candidates because of the color of their skin, their gender, their sexual preference, or their relgion.  We vote for candidates whose policial philosophy is one of social and economic justice and fairness.

Black folks remember Clinton all right.  Black folks remember three strikes you're out and welfare reform, which are two policies that adversely and negatively impacted African Americans.  Black folks voted for Clinton and were loyal to him, but we aren't indebted to him.

I think you are on point here (emphasis mine);

Without question, Artur Davis is the "star" candidate of this race. He has the star power. He mesmorizes people with his oratory. He's drawn big out of state money and big in-state endorsements like Beasley and polls seem to suggest that he is the frontrunner

The question is do we want a star with star power, or do we want a Governor? 



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Uh, it's more like (0.00 / 0)

"We" aren't that indebted to any candidate, but I wouldn't give much credience to your comment about the whole political philosophy mantra.  Some of "us" do vote for candidates because of the color of their skin, their gender, their sexual preference, or their religious affiliations. 

Some black voters like any other group of voters will vote based on identity political principle.  People do it all the time whether than what to give credit to it or not.  Black voters may not be a monolithic bloc of voters, but there are some of "us" that still do allow identity politics define how and who we will vote for.  I've seen it first hand with my very own two eyes to looked on in disbelief, but it indeed does occur with black voters like white, Latin, LGBT, etc. voters.  

However, on the hand of Reno and McBride it was a piss poor track record as US Attorney General is what ultimately ruined Reno's gubernatorial campaign as noted in above posts.  



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

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