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Government See, Government Do - the Alabama Legislature's Behavior is Spreading

by: mooncat

Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 05:16:00 AM CST


No, it's not the good behavior that's spreading, but you probably guessed that. 

Challen Stephens wrote a very informative and well researched piece for the Huntsville Times yesterday about money handed out by Madison County Commissioners in the form of "discretionary funds."  He's not talking peanuts here either, it amounts to $5 million over the last 3 years and it really is discretionary -- the commissioner alone decides what to do with the money.  No discussion, no votes, no oversight to speak of.  Some commissioners give the money to schools, museums, fire departments, etc. and some hire extra employees or spend the money on charities, one even gave $80 K to a marina that isn't even in her district. 

[Commission Chairman Mike] Gillespie suggested that the county's discretionary accounts were no different than those employed by state legislators. "We are not the only body that does this," Gillespie said.

"But Mom, everybody's doing it!  Even the Alabama Legislature"  That never worked with my parents and there are good reasons it shouldn't work for government entities.  There's a distinct lack of transparency when the Legislature hands out money this way and it isn't healthy for local governments to decide that because Montgomery gets away with something, they should, too. 

"Most counties have gone away from that, just because of the inherent problems," [Jackson County Commissioner Horace ]Clemons said, adding of Madison County: "When you have one of the wealthiest counties in the state doing what's being done there, you're asking for problems."

Most Alabama counties don't have much discretionary spending, and Madison County didn't until a dozen or so years ago:

The commissioners didn't used to give out so much cash. Most of the money for public works was spent on road projects outside the city limits. But that began to change in 1996.

"It first started increasing when Mo (Brooks) got on the County Commission, and Dale was willing to go along," said Dyer. "And it's evolved more since Bob Harrison got on the commission."

Here's what they spent in the last three years:

District 2 - Faye Dyer (R) - $1,953,319
District 5 - Mo Brooks (R) - $1,859,571
Chairman - Mike Gillespie (D) - $796,582
District 6 - Bob Harrison (D) - $249,023
District 4 - Dale W. Strong (R) - $192,387
District 1 - Roger Jones (D) - $142,118
District 3 - Jerry Craig (D) - $121,080

For those who don't know the players, Brooks (who is running for Congress now) was in the State House back in the eighties and early nineties and apparently brought this great idea back from Montgomery.  Jones, Craig and Strong represent rural districts and do very little in the way discretionary cash payouts.  Most of their "discretionary" funds go for road maintainence, tree trimming and so forth.  The commissioners with city districts are the ones who can afford to hand out tens of thousands of dollars (or more) at a pop.

"The truth is, that's all part of being re-elected," said Rich McAdams, president of the Madison County school board. "I don't like the discretionary money period, the way state legislators want to run to a PTA meeting with a $1,500 check. It's taxpayer money."

Too true.  This is a way to buy goodwill, if not actual votes.  Is it an appropriate way to use public money?  Chances are none of these Commissioners is foolish enough to spend money in actually inappropriate ways, but without oversight there's no assurance they're spending the money in anything approaching the best way in terms of public good, either.

 

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The distribution that jumped out at me the most (4.00 / 2)

Was almost $249,000 for the Huntsville/Madison County Chamber of Commerce.

What's up with that?

I know locally they're a cheerleader for growth, growth, growth.  Nationally, the Chamber is a big player in the global climate change denial movement, it fought against Family and Medical Leave, and is bitterly opposed to the Employee Free Choice Act.

It's a private entity and not even a charitable one.  Why such a large distribution?



I'm not short.  I'm fun size!!

Chamber ... (4.00 / 1)

My dear spouse turned the paper around so I could read the graphic (below, best viewed fullscreen) yesterday at the breakfast table.  He thought the huge amount to City Schools compared to all others was scandalous, but I'm with you.  My first reaction when seeing that Chamber of Commerce entry was, "But they're evil!"

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Work harder and work smarter!

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It's the commission chair who's giving out all the Chamber money, I see (4.00 / 3)

I wonder what that's about.  And I'm stunned, stunned, I tell you, to read that Mo Brooks is giving his dollars to schools in wealthy, predominantly white areas of Huntsville:

Brooks argues that his gifts to the schools in south Huntsville help make up for lopsided tax support.

That's because in neighborhoods in north Huntsville, where poverty levels are higher, schools get extra federal dollars to make up the difference in support from PTAs and parents. For example, Johnson High received $245,000 from Title I this year. Davis Hills Middle got $263,000.

According to the state, if Brooks is passing out county tax dollars to match the federal support, that could be a problem.

"Title I schools shouldn't be deprived of any tax money because they are Title I schools," said Michael Sibely, spokesman for the Alabama Department of Education. "Title I funds are supplemental to state and local funding. Title I is a supplement to that, not a replacement."

He obviously missed this: "...in neighborhoods in north Huntsville, where poverty levels are higher, schools get extra federal dollars to make up the difference in support from PTAs and parents."  Or more likely didn't care.  So he makes sure that the wealthier schools still get more money than those in impoverished areas.

I hope someone brings this up every time he touts his tax-cutting skills.  Why didn't he give his allotment back to the families who know better how to spend it?  I guess it's only socialism when the government collects taxes and spends the money without personally consulting with Mo Brooks.

 



Good question Kathy (4.00 / 1)

Good snark too!

 Why didn't he give his allotment back to the families who know better how to spend it? 

Why indeed.

 

I think Fay Dyer missed this part too when she accused Bob Harrison who represent north Huntsville  of increasing the amount of money the comissioners spend from their discretionary fund;

 north Huntsville, where poverty levels are higher,

Dyer represents a more affluent district and spent over a million dollars over the past three years, compared to Harrisons' spending a little  over two hundred thousand over the past three years, and who represents the district where poverty levels are higher.  What's wrong with this picture?

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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Here's what jumped out at me (4.00 / 1)

There are 3 republican County Commisioners;

Dyer

Brooks

Strong

4 democract County Commissioners.

Gillespie

Harrison

Jones

Craig

republican spending total- 2,331,277.00

Democrat spending total- 1,308,803.00

Difference- 1,022,474.00

the commissioner alone decides what to do with the money.  No discussion, no votes, no oversight to speak of. 

This is not my understanding of how business is done at the Madison County Commission regarding discrectionary spending.  All spending is subjected to the majority rule which is the under pinning of the democratic process.  All spending is voted on collectively (this is where majority rule comes in) by the commissioners.  If Bob Harrison wants to spend 50k he can't just spend it, it has to be approved by a majority vote of the commission.  We the people elect the Commission and grant them the authority to act on our behalf

Fay Dyer's (republican) beef with Bob Harrison (democrat) is he spends some of his discretionary money on them there evil social programs.  Which further illustrates how the commission operates.

The icy exchange began when Republican Faye Dyer raised questions about a nonprofit group overseen by Democrat Bob Harrison. His Northwest Huntsville Community Service Organization receives more than $100,000 in tax money annually to operate a senior center, a jobs program for ex-felons and programs to help low-income families.

We the people have oversight and assurance over all our ELECTED officials.  We hired em and we can fire them.  If we don't like the way they are spending our tax dollars we can vote their donkey's right on out of office.

 

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



But they don't get voted out (0.00 / 0)

That's pointed out in the article and, if you ask me, it's the whole point of these programs that allow elected officials to personally distribute largesse from public monies:

Over the last 15 years, mayors, superintendents, and school board and council members here have turned over several times. But few ever get voted off the County Commission.

Prince Preyer was the last to lose his seat in 2004, but a federal investigation of his welfare-to-work program cost the county $150,000. And it still took a runoff.

The last uncompromised upsets were 13 years ago, when Strong and Brooks took office.

Those last upsets were conveniently before the "discretionary" budgets took off.  Showing up at a PTA meeting with a check in hand is a sure way to consolidate good will in a high profile way, just ask Mo Brooks.

And I don't believe they vote on this spending, that's why it's labeled "discretionary," its at the discretion of the Commissioner. 

That's $5 million going in seven different directions to all manner of parks and schools and public projects. And all of it was dispensed without a vote in public beforehand.

... 

But at the county level, unilateral decisions inevitably allow for such preferences, and that puts greater onus on commissioners to avoid the appearance of conflicts of interest.  



Work harder and work smarter!

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Trust me mooncat, (0.00 / 0)

All discretionary money has to be approved my a majority vote of the Commission members.   If Bob Harrison wants to spend 50k the majority of Commission members has to agree he can spend 50k.  If Mo Brooks wants to spend 100k the majority of Commission members has to agree he can spend 100k.

The public vote beforehand was the election of the County Commisioners. 

And no, they aren't being voted out, which must mean the voters don't want them out.  Voters are aware Commissioners are distributing their tax dollars, so evidently they like the way the Commissioners are spending their money. If they didn't, they would vote them out of office.  Ask Prince Preyer. :)

 



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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This isn't new in this state (4.00 / 1)

Prior to the quasi-kaput of the Jefferson County government, the 5 commissioners were given discretionary funds to spend however they pleased.  It was like a backrubbing fest when one saw what went where. 

However, I see most of the Madison County Commissioners are playing with bigger dollar amounts that Jeffco Commissioners were. 

Considering how small the county is compared to us here in Jeffco, yeah I would say RING THE ALARM! especially in these financially hard times.  The Republicans are playing the "bait-and-switch" game to win votes come election time from the predominately white and upper class areas.

 



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

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It's OK if you're a Republican (0.00 / 0)
... to hand out public money that just happens to garner the good will of voters.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Basically (4.00 / 1)

It boils down to two things, if you're Republican and give your funds to white and predominately upper and middle-class areas: GOOD THING.

However, they are Democrat and give funds to non-white or lower-income areas to assist in something: BAD THING.  In some people minds of a certain demographic, they only people should help the poor and non-whites are religious organizations and non-profits. 

Oh, what a interesing dichotomy when it comes to politics, partisanship, and race!  It's the good, bad and the ugly.



"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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It's a flaming double standard, is what it is! n/t (0.00 / 0)


Work harder and work smarter!

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Legislature (0.00 / 1)

"A lack of transparancy" that's an understatement to say the least....

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