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Ron Sparks Speaks to Madison County Democratic Women

by: mooncat

Mon Nov 16, 2009 at 12:16:54 PM CST


Ron SparksAgriculture and Industries Commissioner Ron Sparks spoke before an audience of about 75 at the Madison County Democratic Women's luncheon last Thursday.  He reminded them he won re-election decisively in 2006 and has been elected Agriculture Commissioner twice, touted his accomplishments in that role and said Alabama will need courageous leadership for the tough times ahead.  Sparks reiterated his plan for an education lottery and gambling tax to fund education and Medicaid in Alabama and expressed support for President Obama's stimulus package (ARRA) and health care reform plan.  He was questioned about constitutional reform but maintained his opposition to a convention, citing the potential for tax increases and lobbyist involvement.

Ron Sparks shines in venues like this one.  His stump speech is fairly well polished now and hits all his major campaign themes -- a record of electability, leadership, gambling revenue and (this was recently added) health care.  Questions were generally friendly, although this crowd was pretty tough on constitutional reform and one woman questioned him on the death penalty -- Sparks supports it.  He got big applause on a mention of the 10 Commandments, criticism of the Tea Parties, opposition to charter schools -- "I will not start dividing our children and segregating our children in Alabama" -- and support for health care reform.

Details, with video, below the fold.
mooncat :: Ron Sparks Speaks to Madison County Democratic Women

Leadership and a record of accomplishments are a central theme of Sparks' campaign. 

 

"The food that you eat today is safer because of the work we've done at the Department of Agriculture.  ...  I have been relentless when it comes to food safety, because I will not let products come into Alabama that has not been produced at the same standard that my farmers produce it. "

Sparks cited improvements in school nutrition programs, the farm to school program, nutrition and physical education programs as concrete examples of his accomplishments at the Department of Agriculture. He also touted the jobs created because he pioneered increased trade with Cuba in poultry and wood products.  He has also established a trade office in India for access to that emerging market for agricultural products.  "When you travel the world, not only do you sell the products that we have in Alabama, but people are envious of Alabama.  People want to be like Alabama.  People want to have the same privileges that we have in Alabama."

He told the group this is the beginning of a new era, one in which Alabama faces will face tough economic decisions.

 

"I can't run for re-election. ...  I've made the decision that I want to be the governor for the state of Alabama, because I realize that there are some tough decisions that have got to be made.  And I believe that the next governor has got to have the courage and the leadership that no governor has ever had before, because I don't believe Alabama has ever seen the economic crisis that we have in Alabama today.  I don't believe we've every crossed that road before."  He praised President Barack Obama for the stimulus funds which preserved teaching jobs and bridged a shortfall in Medicaid funding. He cited a shortage of school supplies in Alabama classrooms and said that is not where Alabama wants to be.

"We've got some tough times ahead of us.  ...  I don't care what community you live in, I don't care how much money your mom and dad makes, I don't care the color of your skin ... If I become the governor I will lay the lottery scholarship back on the table so that we educate every child in Alabama."

Even though the state faces large shortfalls in funding for education and Medicaid in the near future, Sparks vowed "I will not raise your taxes or the business taxes of Alabama."  Instead he proposes a new revenue stream based on a gambling tax.

 

"We have got to have a revenue stream.  I don't know about you, but I have the courage to step out there and try to make some tough decisions to educate our children. ...  75% of the people that gamble in Mississippi don't live in Mississippi."  Sparks said Republican Gov. Haley Barbour would never give up a casino because of the revenue they produce.  He says Alabama can also have a share of that gaming revenue if we "tax it, control it and have a statewide gaming commission."  Later, in response to a question about the tax rate he would impose on gambling revenue, Sparks said "I would tax it at the same rate that our neighboring states are taxing gambling." 

He also got in a not so subtle dig at his opponent, Congressman Artur Davis, whose 7th district includes Selma, "If I can bring one job to Selma Alabama ... that's more jobs that's been brought to Selma Alabama in the last 6 years.  ...  It's about quit promising, promising and promising ... we've had every study that you can study in the Black Belt and absolutely nothing has been done about it.  ...  It's time for the fancy speeches and the rhetoric and the demagoging to go away.  It's time to move Alabama forward."

On the subject of leadership, Ron Sparks says everyone will have a seat at his table.

"When I become the governor ... everybody has got a seat at my table. I don't care if you're BCA, I don't care if you're AEA, I don't care if you're ALFA, I don't care if you're AFL-CIO. I don't care who you represent, you've got a seat at my table."  Gov. Riley and the Republicans also came in for some criticism for going after the seats of sitting legislators.  Sparks says this is the most important election of our lives.  He also touted his work for the Democratic party and got in a surprising (at least to me) dig at Democratic attorney Jere Beasley:

"I have fought for the Democrat party, I have never turned away, I have campaigned with every young candidate that's has ever campained. I've campaigned with every judge and you can rest assured, Jere Beasley won't tell me who the next Supreme Court Justice will be in Montgomery, Alabama.  The people will have a voice in who the Supreme Court is.  Today, you don't have any representation unless it's Sue Bell Cobb." 

Sparks' position on health care reform has been a bit muddled since he told a Business Council of Alabama (BCA) group he didn't support the current bills on August 1st, then came out strongly in support of the House bill on October 23rd before a NAACP crowd in Birmingham.  He took attempted to clarify his position Thursday.

"I support President Obama's health care package, I support public option, I have been vocal about it and I've had people to say different things.  Let me tell you what I said.  In BCA ... I want you to hear what I said.  They asked me that question.  The first word out of my mouth is I said, look there are 48 million people in this country that are out of health care.  Yes we do need health care reform.  At that point in time it was August.  The health care package debate had just begun. And I said Congress should slow down and make sure that we get it right  But do we need health care reform? Absolutely. Now does that say to you that I'm against health care reform?  Absolutely not.  I am for it.  I am for any health care program that will give the people of Alabama and America affordable health care.  What is a life worth?"

Here is the full text of Sparks' remarks at the BCA forum on August 1st -- for the record, the legislation being debated in the House at that time did include a public option.  You can listen to the audio at this link.

"You know we have 48 million Americans without health care in this country today.  Do we need reform in health care?  Absolutely.  But do I support the current legislation that we have on the table? No I don't.  And I commend Congress by slowing this down and not moving swiftly, but we have definitely got to get our hands around health care reform in this country.  You can rest assured. You know, I'm going to do the same thing for businesses as I've done for farmers. I've continued to fight for farmers for the last seven years to see that the federal government don't put them out of business.  That's exactly what I'm going to do for the business community, I'm going to fight to make sure the government don't put them out of business.  But we need health care reform in this country."

The final health care legislation is likely to allow individual states to opt out of the public option.  A member of the audience asked if Sparks would work to make sure Alabama does not opt out?  His response was, "My position has been pretty clear.  I've supported the Obama health care package, I support the public option.  Everybody ought to have the oppportunity for affordable health care.  My position is very clear." 

In my opinion his position would have been clearer had he stuck to a simple "yes" or "no" response to that question.  It isn't clear whether the legislatures or the governors will make the opt out decision, but either way Alabama's next governor will likely have to do some arm twisting to make sure we have access to the public option.  The answer he gave offers no clue how hard he would work (even whether he would work) or how much political capital he would spend to stop an opt out move.  See Davis' position on opt-out here, if you're curious.

Ron Sparks didn't address constitutional reform at all in the body of his speech, but it came up as soon as he opened the floor for questions.

The first three questions dealt with reforming the 1901 Constitution and whether he would support a constitutional convention.

First questioner:  "... I have a very dear passion and that is that I think our state needs constitutional reform and we'd like very much for you to join us with that and make it happen because it's something that's going to make a big difference in the long term.

Sparks:  "Let me give you what my position has been on constitution reform. I believe we need to be very careful with a constitution convention.  The reason I think we need to be careful is because with a convention  9 times out of 10 your taxes are going to go up.  I believe we need to take the constitution, amendment by amendment, and deal with it.  That's how I believe we need to do it.  That's been my position from the beginning and that's my position now. Let me be honest with you.  We have 135 wonderful legislators and 35 Senators, but we have between 500 and 600 registered lobbyists.  If you think there's a way that we could keep the lobbyists out of the constitution convention process, I just don't believe it personally.  But I do believe we could deal with it amendment by amendment.  That's been my position and that's how I would deal with it as governor." 

Second questioner: "Anyone who supports reform in that manner, as you do, it's never going to happen."

Sparks: "That's not necessarily true. There's been a lot of reforms that have taken place.  I trust ..."

Second questioner: "Well the only one I'm aware of is the Judicial Article ... and that was by the Senator who's now dead.  I don't know what year it was ... but I don't think it will ever happen if you do it article by article."

Sparks: "I'm going to be perfectly honest with you.  The constitution is certainly an important piece that we ought to be looking at, but it's not the most important thing in my vision.  We've got folks that are hurting in Alabama.  We've got counties that have 24% unemployment.  We've got 40% of our children that's not going to school, that's dropping out.  We've got 70% of our kids that's not getting pre-K. We've got people that are hurting in Alabama.  We've got a hole in Medicaid. That's where we need to be making some focuses in Alabama, is to try to shore up some of those problems that we've got.  Certainly, we ought to deal with the constitution, and we all have a different way that we ought to deal with it.  But we've got some problems that we need to be dealing with and the constitution, in my opinion shouldn't be the most important thing at this point in time."

Third questioner:  "Sir.  One of the things that always entroubles me about what you said, is that if we get a new constitution it will raise taxes.  You know that's been a buzzword for people that oppose this reform for a long time and it isn't necessarily true.  And one of the things that I want to know is, what is wrong with paying a little more taxes?  Alabama pays less taxes than almost any other state in the union. And I don't understand why in this .. when we have so many wealthy people in this state, that we can't pay more for the things that we want?  What is wrong with more taxes?"

Sparks:  "There's nothing wrong.  Let me give you my example.  The people that I'm concerned about are your farmers in the state of Alabama.  Current use.  ...  In 1950 and 1960 we had 250,000 family farms.  Today we've got 45,000 family farms. ...  I personally don't want people of other countries putting food on my table like they're putting gasoline in my automobile.  I think we have to be very cautious.  I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything. But I'm saying that shouldn't be, at this point in time in the game, a constitution convention shouldn't be the most important thing that we ought to be dealing with in Alabama.  We ought to be dealing with our children, education, health care, jobs, trade, roads, infrastructure. Those are things that I want to see get accomplished. And I will deal with the constitution, but I'm not for a constitution convention."

In response to a later question, Sparks said he would support limited home rule, done amendment by amendment.

The first questioner also got the last word, again on constitutional reform: "Please keep in mind that a constitution convention might be the thing that would give us some guidelines for the future.  We're not that cynical that it has to be in the hands of the lobbyists and the people that are out just for gain because we believe firmly that the people of Alabama can handle that ... We would like for you to put that in the back of your mind and let it come to the front when the time is right."  [Applause]

Sparks:  "Absolutely.  I hear you.  I hear your passion, I hear your concern.  Sometimes we in the Democrat party have different ways that we want to get to the same conclusion and I just have a different opinion of the direction that I want to go.  I do respect what you're saying, I do hear what you're saying and I don't take anything off the table.  Certainly you ought to be heard and if that's the will of the people then we ought to look at it. But I do believe we can accomplish the same goals ... amendment by amendment, I believe that we can do that and that would be the direction that I would want to go."

He clearly did not bring the audience around to his way of thinking about constitution reform.  A woman I spoke with afterwards said he made a good speech, but "he lost half the room on constitution reform."  Part of Sparks' problem was that this audience is quite well informed on the history and shortcomings of the 1901 Constitution.  They are convinced, as he apparently is not, that restrictions imposed by our constitution are at the root of many of the more pressing problems he cites -- education funding, jobs, roads and infrastructure.  Since 1901 the Legislature has succeeded in revising only the Judicial Article.  That was done in 1973 under the leadership of the late Howell Heflin, then the newly elected Chief Justice.  Obviously, article by article (and I feel sure this is what Commissioner Sparks means when he says "amendment by amendment') revision of the Alabama constitution can be expected to take several hundred more years. 

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Sparks the candidate... (4.00 / 1)

seems to be finding some footing.  Last week was his best week so far with the Sheriff endorsements and Davis' vote on health care.  I think he is finding the right way to talk about electability - his experience running and winning in statewide off-year races is a lot more relevant than any arguments about race-based voting.  Davis can call him a flip-flopper all he wants, but has has no one but himself to blame for giving Sparks the chance to outflank him to the left on economic issues.  Sparks has also made it clear that he disagreed with Davis' (first) vote on the hate crimes bill.  It will be interesting to see if either candidate takes a stand on the UAB domestic benefits issue, as that is a LGBT issue the governor of Alabama will have a say in, especially considering that gay donors have been a big part of Davis' very successful fundraising efforts in New York and New England.

Sparks the candidate finally looks competitive; the question is whether his campaign will follow suit.



Still disappointed in his position on Constitutional Reform though... (4.00 / 1)
But remember, Sparks has shown himself willing to respond to progressive criticism of his positions.  Perhaps we can force him to adopt an "If the people show they want it" position on this issue as well.

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I'm not holding my breath for a flip flop on CR (4.00 / 1)

I have personally brought this up with him more than once over the last few months and sense no give at all in his position.  It isn't possible to get inside Ron Sparks' head, but I speculate that he feels the same way ALFA does -- any constitution reform would simply have to revise the tax code and there's nothing they would like less.  He even gives raising taxes as a reason not to hold a convention.  That's a standard Republican talking point and I just cringe every time I hear it.

What's wrong with getting rid of that sweetheart deal for timber companies, anyway? 



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You provide the answer to your own question, Mooncat... (4.00 / 1)

You (rightly) call the "reform=raising taxes" position a GOP talking point, but then in the next sentence, you note that you would in fact like to reshape the property tax structure currently enshrined in our state constitution.  Most Constitutional reform proponents agree with you.  Most that I have talked to actually see that as the most important aspect of rewriting the state Constitution.

Are there legitimate reasons to feel that way? Certainly.  But, in my opinion, the 1901 Constitution makes our state ungovernable for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with tax rates.  It concentrates far, far too much power in the hands of the state legislature - which is bad enough - but it simply puts too many hurdles in the way of any meaningful reforms or regulations that need to be passed, not only tax reform.  To me, that is the most compelling reason why we need a constitutional convention, not our property tax structure.

Besides, the tax policies that greatly benefit ALFA and the timber interests of our state (which collectively make up in the single biggest facet of our state's economy) also allow a lot of family farmers with very low incomes to hold onto land that has been in their family for generations.  So it's not as simple as some make it out to be.  Personally, I'd be willing to take property tax reform off the table in exchange for ALFA supporting (or at least, stopping opposing) a true Constitutional Convention.  But I also know that most other reformers disagree with me.



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Current use (0.00 / 0)

This has been an effective scare tactic that can bring people around to opposing constitutional reform.  Unfortunately, becasue of the way the 1901 Constitution was written, tax reform is easy to be associated with it.  Ideally, there needs to be a provision in any new document that grants the state the right to tax, and maybe even have a certain vote to modify the tax code, but take the specific tax language out of the document.

In regards to current use, there is plenty of room for debate.  Of course the effectiveness of this provision varies depending on county (it is arguably more effective in Madison, Shelby, and Baldwin counties compared to Lowdnes, Perry, and Hale, primarily due to property values).  The proposal for this in 2003's Amendment One provision was to set a cap at 2,000 acres--anything above that would not qualify for current use (the intent is that most family farms do not have over 2,000 acres so this would really impact agribusiness.)

One solution might be get a new constitution and then take care of tax reform after a document is ratified.



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I meant... (0.00 / 0)
I meant 200 acres, not 2,000.  (70% of farms were smaller than this)

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Ron walked into a CR buzzsaw with the Madison County Democratic Women's division (4.00 / 1)
Perhaps the shock and awe of all these ladies and thier knowledge of the issue will have some positive effect...

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Great journalism! Thanks for this. So much more than any newspaper coverage. (0.00 / 0)

Am I the only one bothered by this?

I have been relentless when it comes to food safety, because I will not let products come into Alabama that has not been produced at the same standard that my farmers produce it. "

 "MY" farmers?

Patriarchal? Condescending?

When i saw Sparks before I was very troubled when he kept referring to himself as "The Commissioner". If he is the populist candidate he needs to change his presentation style to be a little less imperial sounding.

I think he wins on the gambling issue when comparing to Mississippi. But he loses on constitution reform.

 



The problem... (0.00 / 0)
and this is a problem in large part due to us, the so-called progressive activists, is that no one has proven Constitutional Reform to be an important election issue, much less a winning one.  He loses with the readers of Left in Alabama on the Constitutional Reform issue, but most of the people I've spoken to in Alabama are either unaware or indifferent on that issue.  When you get outside of the Big Four cities, people have not yet been convinced that it's that important.

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we had an example in the last non special session of the (4.00 / 2)

Legislature of the truest grassroots type of issue to meet success in the State of Alabama... Free the Hops.  If we could find a sexy way to "Free the Constitution", we might have something.  The problem is that we continue to have a multitude of the State Legislature cycle to cycle, on both sides of the aisle that have no interest whatsoever in reforming ethics or trying to provide meaningful reform to the 1901 document.

 Article by article legislative review is a killer that gets us no where and is the only plausible reform we can hope for from our elected officials.

If you google "constitutional reform", the ACCR (Alabama Citizens for Constitutional Reform) is the first entry.  In a very simple way, that tells me there is a lot of public interest in the issue, but that does not necessarily translate into support.  To truly make change in Alabama, you would need to take the best practices from the Free the Hops campaign, multiply it by a hundred, then move forward with that movement.  Can it be done, perhaps. Will it be done.... it would be a lot of work. 



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And I think he meant that... (4.00 / 1)
in the same way that one would say "my people" like you are of them, not above them.  I don't think his phrasing is nearly as big a deal as the issue of food safety, which is a very good issue for Sparks.

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Food safety is a big issue. (4.00 / 1)

And it works for Sparks.  His favorable position on genetically modified foods may turn off some, but he wins on the issue overall.

Another good selling point is the work he did to modernize the Agriculture Department.  I didn't realize the extent of the upgrades until he sat down for an interview with us last week.

Trying to get a chance to edit and upload some of the video.  It's impressive.  Unfortunately, after spending half the day in town, I now have to do paid work for a while!



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Ron Sparks has as good an understanding of AG issues... (4.00 / 1)
as anyone in government that I've ever been around.  If President Obama had not been under political obligations, I think Ron Sparks would have been a much better choice for Secretary of Agriculture than Tom Vilsack.

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That works for me (0.00 / 0)
I'm less sure that a governor who sees everything through an agriculture lens is optimum.

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I don't think he "sees everything through an agriculture lens..." (0.00 / 0)
anymore than Artur Davis sees everything through a legal lens.  But he does have a better understanding of the agriculture industry, which is the single biggest industry in the state of Alabama, than Artur Davis.  Agribusiness is where the growth of Alabama starts.  

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Maybe not ... (0.00 / 0)

But I've listened to a lot of Ron Sparks speeches and statements in the last 6 months and he can bring agriculture to bear on almost any question.  It's just something I've noticed, kind of like how he uses that "won 62 of 67 counties" in every single appearance.

Can you suggest a reliable source of data on GDP and employment for various industries in Alabama?  I was playing with this map from the Commerce Department, but it doesn't show that ag is our #1 industry, which is something I've heard over and over.  Of course, ALFA has nice pie charts, but I would like an obviously unbiased source, if possible.



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Constitutional reform and Sparks (4.00 / 1)

Looking back at this response:

"I'm going to be perfectly honest with you.  The constitution is certainly an important piece that we ought to be looking at, but it's not the most important thing in my vision.  We've got folks that are hurting in Alabama.  We've got counties that have 24% unemployment.  We've got 40% of our children that's not going to school, that's dropping out.  We've got 70% of our kids that's not getting pre-K. We've got people that are hurting in Alabama.  We've got a hole in Medicaid. That's where we need to be making some focuses in Alabama, is to try to shore up some of those problems that we've got.  Certainly, we ought to deal with the constitution, and we all have a different way that we ought to deal with it.  But we've got some problems that we need to be dealing with and the constitution, in my opinion shouldn't be the most important thing at this point in time."

In this response, Sparks tries to draw attention to the various issues that people fact that governemnt needs to deal with.  However, part of the solution for each of these issues is also tied up in constitutional reform.  The case that advocates for reform need to make (and I imagine the understanding of those in the room) is that these issues have been present for long enough that short-term approaches do not come close to solving it.  They are systemic problems, rooted in the constitution of 1901, and politicians need to have the courage to deal with that to reshape this state.

Some other things:

1)  Part of his opposition to a constitutional convention seems to be rooted in his ties to ALFA (who supported him to be Ag. Commissioner).  He brought up current use and taxes in defending his position.  The problem is that taxes are embedded in the Constitution, including current use rates (which do need to be looked at).

2) The Beasley dig is trying ot criticize the fact that Beasley is Davis's campaign chair.  Honestly, I don't imagine that dig will do much in front of Democratic audiences--these are not the groups that have a vehemnet reaction to Jere Beasley.

3)  One of the question in regards to health care to ask Sparks is about the employer mandate in the bill.  Will that impact businesses (based upon the way he responded to the BCA audience, as well as some of his remarks regarding farmers in his Glenn Beck interview).  (I'm curious about his understanding of policy)

4)  He did give an answer on a rate of taxation, though more specificity would be nice.



Casino tax rate (0.00 / 0)
This is the first time I've heard Sparks say anything at all about a proposed tax rate on casino gambling -- possibly because Davis has been hammering this point for weeks.  The questioner kind of had to drag it out of him, but he did say the same as surrounding states.  I don't know how our surrounding states stack up to the national average, which is want Davis is proposing ... someone should ferret that out, I guess.

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Gaming tax rate (4.00 / 1)

This comment is in response to question about what rate Sparks will tax gaming.  He responds to this question by stating "I will tax gaming at the same rate that our neighboring states are taxing gambling."  This offers some answer, though is vague to an audience.

So I did some looking.  The American Gaming Association offers a table on the rates and revenues states receive for gambling (this is for states with commercial casinos and racetrack casinos).  On it, the state of Mississippi charges gambling at an 8% rate, with an additional 4% that local communities can add on top of that.  Comparing it to other states with commercial gambling, only Nevada taxes it at a lower rate (6.75%), and both South Dakota and New Jersey have it at the same rate.  Most states chare more tax on gambling, either in the range of 20% (such as Louisiana--21.5%) or a graduated abount up to 50% (such as Illinois).  Again, a low tax rate might give more frofits to woners and make companies more likely to build casinos here, but higher taxes might stem this growth.  

So if Sparks is suggesting he would set it at the rate of our neighbors, I imagine he is suggesting a tax at 8% of gross revenue.



A couple more things to add (4.00 / 1)

1)  Mooncat, jumping your question down here, I imagine Davis would propose taxing it in the range of 15-20%, and maybe a little bit higher.  The average seems to be around that (if you are finding the mean of the various state rates). 

2)  My numbers did not take into account any fees that casinos had to pay (such as a fee per slot machine they operate).



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