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THE RAW FACTS: About the HR Vote & Artur Davis & other stuff...

by: kayman

Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 14:03:03 PM CST


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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know everybody in the blogosphere from here to Rod 2.0, and the rest are jumping on the bandwagon to call out Artur Davis.  However, I'm akin to the Rude Pundit except I see it for the real South with a political perspective.  It's time for one of my rare real and "raw facts" posts where all hold bars are dropped.

OK, one Artur Davis is running for the governor of Alabama, and for you non-Alabamians or those who chose to be belligerently ignorant of the political reality of this state, everything here is Topsy-turby when it comes to politics. You gotta look like the "enemy" to be a "friend" and to look like a "friend" you are seen as the "enemy".  In layman's terms, the Democrats and Republicans in this state aren't trusted by the majority of the electorate, period.  So you have the dilemma that Davis is in where he's "damned if he voted for it", "damned if he didn't vote for it", and "damned if he chose to abstain" from the vote on the House bill Saturday.  So his decision would have brought criticism from somebody in every situation.  

This where the liberals and progressives separate on issues because liberals are 9 out of 10 times are more hard line on issues whereas as a progressive there lies pragmatism.

RAW FACTS: As much as liberals want to get their drawers tied in a tie over Davis being the only Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) member to vote against the House Bill, he has made it known for awhile that he wasn't going to vote for the health care reform bill.  So I don't understand why anyone who has been paying attention is surprised.  The writing is on the wall and has been for months.  

kayman :: THE RAW FACTS: About the HR Vote & Artur Davis & other stuff...
Now how this applies to the gubernatorial race, well it just doesn't.  

If one realizes what is going on then you would realize that Ron Sparks isn't any better if not worse than Davis when it comes to key issues that affects the average black or working-class white voters.  However, Sparks' stunt Friday calling for constituents in AL-7 congressional district to ask for Davis to support the bill and then claim he would support the bill if he was is in the House is pure bullshit and political grandstanding at its most pathetic worst.  If Sparks can't even support a full constitutional rewrite for fear of the "Great White Wrath" of some voters of that demographic group then he can shut the fuck up on that bullshit he was pulling Friday on Davis.

Let's face it, Alabama is a state where the majority of likely voters will vote against any candidate that is for health care reform in the current House form allowing the possibility of funding for abortions, same-sex benefits, and the whole progressive shabang.  I'm pro-choice and pro-LGBT rights (hello, I'm a black bisexual male), but it's the political expediency and the stance on state issues is what really counts come next June and November in the overall picture.  If you are an one-issue voter then CONGRATULATIONS!  But in the overall scheme of things you will be never satisfied with any candidate because no one candidate is perfect.   You will realize that there is a choice between the less of the two evils.  In this case with the Democratic ticket so far, Davis is the apparent less trifling one.

MY TAKE: I'm not a spokesperson for either one because I will throw Davis under the bus as well if he does a series of stupid things between now and November, but he at least has a good, stable platform.  Sparks is looking more like a pandering opportunist that will camouflage himself depending who is the target audience of his speeches (black or white), circa 2008 and Hillary Clinton.  That type of campaign never gets the candidate anywhere because you will get cornered and exposed by your opponents.

Davis is the best choice for the gubernatorial race on the Democratic side, so he will have to do things that aren't "right" or in the sacrificial sense "do the right thing at risk of losing an election" when he wants to be governor.  If you're not enthused about his candidacy, welcome to the crowd, but I'm not going to sit out an election to prove a point that will hurt myself more than him.  Davis will still be well-paid trial lawyer and viable politician for the future (prohibiting he has some skeletons in his closet).   However, those you're supposed to be standing up for in this health care reform battle are the same people who will suffer as much if not more under one of those idiots on the Republican side because you thought you were going to show him.  In other words, you are cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

I live in reality, not political reality, where everything is suppose to be idealistic and pure, but the reality where things don't always go the way you want them.  I'm quite pragmatic and not apologetic as some try to claim because I don't apologize for anyone but myself.  In reality, things aren't perfect, so when you harp and whine about things not being perfect it shows that you aren't living in reality because as I've said before "no candidate is perfect" or totally aligned with your interests.  

So if you get upset about that crap or my opinion, that's your problem and not mine.  I'm not a Democrat or Republican and never claim to be one.  As my blog title says "Thoughts and rants from an Independent" which means I see it from an objective, non-partisan point-of-view, but I know what's really good with the politics.  So it is what it is...

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I see what you are saying... (4.00 / 1)
...and appreciate it, but it comes down to doing what your constituents need you to do.  I'm not thrilled about this piece of legislation, but yeah it's a start, I'm kinda there with mc and others on the whole Half/Full Loaf argument.  I have to take exception however with your seeming assertion that pragmatism and progressivism are mutually exclusive.  I believe that it is the fact that I try to view the world through a pragmatic lens that leads me towards being a progressive.  I'm theory kinda guy, but I don't like bogging myself down on theory when there are real solutions to real problems.  In my international relations and strategic studies circles pragmatists are liberals who don't want to be saddled with being called Realists.

I don't and have never professed that I am going to sit this one out because all the gubernatorial candidates are horrible.  I learned that lesson when I thought that I was a Green Party person.  I recognized then if you are going to change the machine then you better work to be a part of the machine.  Seldom does real change come from the outside. What I am outraged about is that Davis ignored the will of his constituents, and these really aren't your run of the mill folks, there are people who will live or die by pieces of legislation like this.  When Davis' people needed him the most, he turned his back on them.  For me, thats an integrity issue.  Now the way he can rectify things is by coming out and saying "Yeah, I ignored my constituents, and I was wrong".  Is that going to happen?  Probably not, but I am going to work hard to find someone better next time.

Call it not necessarily biting ones nose to spite themselves, but maybe perhaps, bitching about the fact you got a nose job, it ain't great, but it sure isn't the monstrosity you had before, so you'll go to some one different and make sure they do it right next time.

9.13, 4.82, Just left of Gandhi.


In brief (0.00 / 0)
So, when Davis panders, he's being a "realist," but when Sparks panders, he's just "an opportunist."
It's a good thing you told us you were "objective," because we could easily have gotten the wrong idea.

"When you talk about the law discriminating, the law granting a privilege here, and a right here and denying it there, that's a civil rights issue. And I can't take that away from anybody." - Rev. Joseph Lowery


Yeah, it is objective (0.00 / 0)
Because I called it like it is, bullshit from Sparks.  If you don't agree or have a problem what I said that is all on YOU.  

"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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But, but, (0.00 / 0)
I thought Artur Davis wanted to change the face of Alabama politics, restore trust in government, was a new kind of politican etc. etc.?

The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



Sorry, but (0.00 / 0)
I'm not a spokesperson for his campaign, so you should contact his campaign offices about your grievences.  They might care more than I do because I'm tired of whining and moaning over a vote when the writing and the facts were/are there for us to all see.  

If or when things change or more bull arises then I'll call Davis out, but right now that's all.
 

"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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Unfortunately, (4.00 / 1)

we're never going to have a "perfect" Alabama representative, governor, or any elected official. I say that not because I have no hope but because nobody is going to agree with everybody all the time. Unless of course you go the route of so many incumbents and issue press releases on only non-controversial subjects:

  • Representative ABC Reiterates His Support for Puppies!
  • Representative BCD Stands by Veterans!
  • Senator EFG Loves Kittens!

I'm not happy with Griffith, Davis, Bright, or ANY Alabama representative or senator today.  Or tomorrow.  Or next week.

But next November, I have to make the hard decision about just HOW upset I am.  Am I angry enough to undervote in AL-5 and risk a wild-eyed nut job republican winning the race?  

Today I am.  In a year, who knows?

Am I annoyed enough with Davis to sit on my hands and elect Tim James or - God forbid - Roy Moore?

I know right now that I'm not.  But there's a LONG time between now and election day.

I'm seriously ticked with Davis right now but Sparks has done little to gain my trust either.  Let's hope that the next couple of months clarifies the issues, the race, and the candidates.

And... let's move on to the next battles:  passing real health insurance reform in the Senate and passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

 



I'm not short.  I'm fun size!!

How's he going to vote on what comes out of conference? (4.00 / 2)

For that matter, what's going to come out of conference?

That is the vote that counts.

In the meantime, we've got a lot more ups and downs on this policy rollercoaster.

I'm still pissed about the Stupak business, and Leiberman ain't worth the powder it would take to blow him up.



"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

From what I heard (4.00 / 1)
He might, keyword, might vote for the final bill after conference.  However, politicos will pull a full 180 on an issue in a heartbeat if it is seen as "bi-partisan".  

"Hypocrites are those whom pick and choose prejudices while giving accolades for their own..."

"It is what it is."  

http://blkindependent.blogspot...


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touche (4.00 / 1)
Kayman is right.  For those of you who are disappointed in Davis' vote (myself included) and for those of you who are bashing him like a Tea Partier with an Obama effigy - you really ought to think about it for a minute.

From day one of the health care debate, Davis has proven that he will offer thoughtful criticism and praise for health care reform.  He has never clung to partisan talking points - proving that he's a true reformer an independent.  That's why he'll be a good governor, and a strong contrast to Montgomery good ole boys.

If we didn't have Davis - we'd be left with Sparks.  A man who changes his position for political favor.  A man who talks out of both sides of his mouth.  Sparks is a far cry from a leader.

While I might disagree with Davis...at least I trust him.  


Transgender? (0.00 / 0)
Off the direct topic, but kayman brought up his pro-LGBT stance.

Why is transgender equated with being gay or lesbian when it comes to talking about equal rights?

Seems that by definition changing one's physical sexual characteristics is a matter of choice rather than birth, unlike sexual orientation.


Sorry to derail with my delayed reaction but (0.00 / 0)

As a transgender person I just want to speak to a few erroneous assumptions here. I was born trans, same as I was born queer; I didn't wake up one day and decide it would be awesome.

Being trans also doesn't necessarily involve going through the physical transition. However, many trans people do, and shouldn't be denied medical care because other people "know better" than transfolk do what trans people ought to do with their bodies.

Transgender, transsexual, and intersexed folk face a lot of the same discrimination cissexual gay, lesbian, and bisexual folk do - trans men and women are fired every day for how they present, or if they're 'outed' as trans, and trans people are often denied qualiy medical care because of transphobia in the medical community. Many trans women have been murdered this year just for being trans. 

I would recommend Questioning Transphobia's Trans 101 sidebar - it's about halfway down the page. Check out their Trans 101 tag too for a few more good posts. It's a really good place to learn more about trans issues.



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Sorry for further hijack (0.00 / 0)

I don't think anyone should be discriminated against on the job for non-job related factors.  I also do not think that anyone should be denied medical care in general just because they consider themselves transgender.

I am wondering about the science behind trans.  I read some of the material you suggested and it seems to indicate to me that trans individuals want to define their own gender identity rather than it being something determined genetically.  (The obvious exception are those who gender assignment is chosen by parents at or close to birth.)

It seems to me that if trans is a choice - a matter of self-definition - then it isn't subject to the same kinds of protections that we might afford sexual orientation or race or standard notions of gender (male vs female based on genitalia).  And I don't see why the government, even in a public option health plan, should pay for SRS.  (Similarly, while I'm pro-choice, I don't think that a government health plan should pay for elective abortions.)

That doesn't mean that I think trans are bad people or should be abused or whatever the term "transphobia" might imply. 



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