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Actuary Warned Alabama PACT Board in 2005 That Program "Not Viable" - He Didn't Get the Job

by: countrycat

Fri May 22, 2009 at 15:06:04 PM CDT


Alabama PACTAt its August 24, 2005 meeting, the Alabama Pact Board interviewed three candidate companies who had applied to provide actuarial services to the board.

The three firms interviewed were: Actuarial Resources, Milliman, and Buck Consultant.

The presentation given by Mr. Bill Reimert of Millman (Agenda Item IV. A. (3.) is jaw dropping:

Mr. Reimert discussed information about his firm.  He then called the Board's attention to his presentation concerning the current PACT trust fund deficit.  He stated that he was concerned about the 9% rate of return assumption and discussed his thoughts on the future of prepaid programs in general.  He discussed his belief that the programs were not viable without full faith and credit or some other backing.  

Read it for yourself in tAlabama Treasurer Kay Iveyhe minutes!

Surprise!  He didn't get the job....

But the man is hardly a slouch as an actuary.  Read his bio... gee... he can look at my books anytime! Unless, of course, I don't want to know the truth.

And this is certainly not the only warning the board received.   Learn more on the flip...

countrycat :: Actuary Warned Alabama PACT Board in 2005 That Program "Not Viable" - He Didn't Get the Job

At the 5/19/2004 PACT Board meeting: (begins on page 18 in the PDF file with minutes)

Chairman Ivey introduced Mr. Dale Goode, a PACT purchaser who had asked to present his concerns to the Board.  Mr. Goode has four PACT contracts and had expressed his opinion that all of his contracts whould be guaranteed.  He asked for a written guarantee from the board that full benefits would be paid for all of his contracts and expressed his desire that the Board seek "full faith and credit" for the program, or establish some sort of "rainy day" fund to secure all future benefits.

The board gave him a pat on the head and sent him on his way.

Only to learn at its 8/25/2004 board meeting (pages 27& 28 in the above-linked PDF) from Jay Kloepfer of Callan Associates that the board's assumed 9% return on investments represented: 

"...a heroic assumption and higher than the expected case return for even the most aggressive asset mix examined in the study."

Geee.... so maybe Mr. Reimert well, knew what he was talking about!  As did these other people!

The minutes of the PACT Board meetings present a revealing picture of a group of people who were warned about problems as early as 2004 (they haven't released the earlier minutes), but they, by turns, ignored the problem, or - even worse it seems now - jumped from fund manager to fund manager for higher returns on ever more risky investments.

Truly, these things are worth the time to read.  Here they are listed again for your "enjoyment:" 

I can't get the 2009 link to work, but maybe it'll get fixed.  The 2006 minutes are the most fun because they're an actual transcript of the meeting, not just a list of motions.

2009:  http://www.treasury.state.al.us/PACT/Documents/PACT%20BOARD%20MINUTES%202009.pdf

2008: http://www.treasury.state.al.us/PACT/Documents/PACT%20BOARD%20MINUTES%202008.pdf

2007: http://www.treasury.state.al.us/PACT/Documents/PACT%20BOARD%20MINUTES%202007.pdf

2006: http://www.treasury.state.al.us/PACT/Documents/PACT%20BOARD%20MINUTES%202006.pdf

2005: http://www.treasury.state.al.us/PACT/Documents/PACT%20BOARD%20MINUTES%202005.pdf

2004: http://www.treasury.state.al.us/PACT/Documents/PACT%20BOARD%20MINUTES%202004.pdf

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If I said it once (4.00 / 1)
I've said it a thousand times.  Never viable.  Ever.

I thought of you, Brian (4.00 / 1)

while digging through the minutes today.

There's an exchange about the need to get more people in the program and spend big bucks on an "aggressive marketing campaign."

The Ponzi scheme aspect of the program - particularly in the past few years - is the subject of a future post!



There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



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Great research Countrycat. (4.00 / 2)
Heads should roll.

Heavens, there's more coming (4.00 / 1)
Just when I thought I couldn't get any more outraged.... well, I'd read the next page of the document!

There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



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geno (4.00 / 1)

Remember geno's original questions?

Not saying anyone broke the law, or did anything that wasn't authorized. But someone set the guidelines, selected money managers, and authorized some changes to the way business was being done. Who? Even if it's all technically legitimate, there are full disclosure (very important) and political consequences to consider.



The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die.~Senator Edward M. Kennedy (D. MA)



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No wonder (4.00 / 2)
Kay Ivey always looks so grumpy.

"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

Poison Ivey - making us all itch! (4.00 / 1)


"BOUNCE THE BASTARDS". Piggieheart

Where was Folsom during all this? (0.00 / 0)


Folsom wasn't on the board (4.00 / 1)
Lucy Baxley was Lt. Gov at the time.  She always sent a representative; I didn't see any meetings where she attended personally.

There are no "safe" Republican districts. You can run but you can't hide.  - Rahm Emmanuel



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Folsom wasn't on the Board in 2005 (4.00 / 1)
But Kay Ivey was already Treasurer back then so PACT was her responsibility.  Looking through these minutes, I can see why Treasurer Ivey always looks so dour at these Board meetings -- the PACT program really is an albatross around her neck, far more than for Byrne or even Folsom. 

Work harder and work smarter!

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Ahhhh (4.00 / 1)

Didn't know if he had some kind of permanent roll on the board.  It is named after him...

Don't see how Kay survives this.

Also, seems to me that too many gov't officials (whether or not they were on the board) were eager to tout this program that seemed too good to be true.  Dereliction of duty.  Part of leadership is telling people the uncomfortable (inconvenient?!) truth.



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"He didn't get the job" (4.00 / 2)
Reminds you of Bush and his team.  Agree or pack it in.  If my mechanic tells me I have a blown head gasket, I don't fire him and look for somone who will say I only need windshield wiper blades.

"BOUNCE THE BASTARDS". Piggieheart

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