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DLC vs. Netroots: Old vs. New in the Democratic Party

by: mooncat

Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 23:02:25 PM CDT


Note: Crossposted Frontpaged at DailyKos.  I only posted it at Kos because Julie thought it was good.  Thanks, Julie! 

There will be an interesting debate this Sunday on Meet the Press (8 am on NBC and 9 pm on MSNBC.)  Harold Ford, Jr. Chairman of the DLC will debate Markos Moulitsas, founder of Daily Kos.  Sort of the old Democratic philosophy vs. the new Democratic philosophy, with Tim Russert moderating.

The strategy of the Democratic Leadership Council, or DLC, has been to win by appealing to conservative and moderate voters, accepting assuming that we are a conservative nation (and state) and there will never be enough progressive and liberal voters to win elections.  Essentially, candidates who espouse the DLC method don't make much effort to appeal to the Democratic base and instead work hard to reach moderate and conservative voters.  Their website says " we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms America's basic bargain: opportunity for all, responsibility from all, and community of all."

The netroots philosophy may not be laid out quite so clearly anywhere, but based on what I read, it boils down to "Be true to your beliefs and be a Democrat."  That's not very fancy, but it sounds like a comfortable way to campaign.  No need to remember to say different things to different groups -- just be yourself.

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mooncat :: DLC vs. Netroots: Old vs. New in the Democratic Party

First, some examples.

Artur Davis' recent remarks in Tuscaloosa

People … are yearning for a sensible politics that speaks to our conservative impulses of responsibility and accountability, and to our more progressive impulses of shared obligation

and in Birmingham, where he praised Ronald Reagan and said Republican Bob Riley "has been the most successful governor of Alabama we've had in my lifetime," are examples of the DLC strategy.  So is this news release from a Democratic Congressional candidate a few years ago:

[his] solid credentials on pro-family, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-flag, pro-faith, pro-people issues are well known ... [He] is as conservative as God's Word and as liberal as God's Love, his life is a testimony to that fact.

People around here call this approach Republican-lite.  Conservative and progressive.  Conservative and liberal.  Can voters really trust a candidate who claims to be both at once?  

In Tennessee, Harold Ford, Jr. also emphasized his conservative leanings in his unsuccessful for the Senate seat vacated by Bill Frist in 2006.  This is from a blog for one of the losers in the Republican primary for that race:

Harold Ford, Jr. will also campaign as a conservative this Fall. He will attempt to get to the right of Corker on some issues. ...  Bob Corker is much, much more likely to stand with conservatives in the U.S. Senate than Harold Ford, Jr. As a U.S. Senator, the very first vote Harold Ford, Jr. will cast would be for liberal Democrat, Harry Reid as Majority Leader. That's unacceptable.

It illustrates a fundamental problem with the DLC method.  When conservative voters have a choice between Republican-lite and a real Republican, they vote for the real Republican.  What do liberal or progressive voters do when faced with the same choice?  They either hold their nose and vote for Republican-lite or, and this is key, they don't vote at all.  Ford lost the Tennessee Senate race.  That was an open seat.  In the same election non-DLC Democrats beat incumbent Republicans in the equally red states of Montana and Virginia.  Republican-lite doesn't get the Democratic base fired up to vote for the Democratic candidate, in fact the strategy takes the Democratic base vote for granted. 

I expect that Markos Moulitsas will talk about a strategy in which Democratic candidates campaign openly as Democrats on a progressive, populist agenda that emphasizes authenticity.  The basic premise is that Democrats have better ideas and should put them forth in an honest, open fashion. There is no need to induce cognitive dissonance trying to be both liberal and conservative at the same time. Candidates should stake out their positions, stick with them and run as a Democrat, against the Republican party.

Successful netroots candidates who've won this way include Representatives Ben Chandler (D, KY), Stephanie Herseth (D, SD), Paul Hodes (D, NH), Joe Sestak (D, PA) and Senators Jon Tester (D, MT) and Jim Webb (D, VA), to name a few.  These candidates didn't run away from the Democratic party, they embraced it.  Jon Tester famously said "I don't want to weaken the Patriot Act, I want to repeal it!"  He went on to beat a sitting Republican Senator in Montana.  It's worth mentioning that he also beat DLC candidate Jim Morrison in the Democratic primary. 

The conservative myth. 

One reason that the DLC strategy isn't working well in the real world these days may be the assumption that America is a conservative nation. Maybe that isn't true.  In fact, Media Matters for America and the Campaign for America's Future recently released The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth, which presents polling data that shows Americans hold progressive views on a wide range of issues. 

KEY FINDINGS:

  • The role of government -- 69 percent of Americans believe the government "should care for those who can't care for themselves"; twice as many people (43 percent vs. 20 percent) want "government to provide many more services even if it means an increase in spending" as want government to provide fewer services "in order to reduce spending."
  • The economy -- 77 percent of Americans think Congress should increase the minimum wage; 66 percent believe "upper-income people" pay too little in taxes; 53 percent feel the Bush administration's tax cuts have failed because they have increased the deficit and caused cuts in government programs.
  • Social issues -- 61 percent of Americans support embryonic stem cell research; 62 percent want to protect Roe v. Wade; only 3 percent of Americans rank same-sex marriage as the "most important" social issue.
  • Security -- 43 percent of Americans say we are spending too much on our military; 60 percent feel the federal government should do more about restricting the kinds of guns that people can purchase.
  • The environment -- 75 percent of Americans would be wiling to pay more for electricity if it were generated by renewable sources to help reduce global warming; 79 percent want higher emissions standard for automobiles.
  • Energy -- 52 percent of Americans believe "the best way for the U.S. to reduce its reliance on foreign oil" is to "have the government invest in alternative energy sources"; 68 percent of the public thinks U.S. energy policy is better solved by conservation than production.
  • Immigration -- 57 percent of Americans feel "most recent immigrants to the U.S. contribute to this country" rather than "cause problems." Sixty-seven percent of Americans feel that "on the whole," immigration is a "good thing for this country today."
  • Health care -- 69 percent of Americans think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have access to health coverage; 76 percent find access to health care more important than maintaining the Bush tax cuts; three in five would be willing to have their own taxes increased to achieve universal coverage.
 

So Democrats who talk about progressive ideas in a sincere way should find a lot of traction with the American electorate. 

Democratic Base Voting increased in the 2006 election

Party affiliation is something that fluctuates, but there is evidence that in the 2006 election, it was increased support from Democrats and Independents that gave Democrats their victories.

Comparing 2004 and 2006 exit polls, here is the estimated swing Democrats received according to partisan self-identification:

Overall Dem vote increase: 5.15%
Growth from Dem's: 2.41%
Growth from Ind's:  2.08%
Growth from Rep's: 0.66%

Based on those numbers, you could argue that 2006 was a Democratic base election, as 2000 and 2002 were Republican base elections.

Are Democrats really outnumbered? 

Maybe you've heard that Republicans outnumber Democrats, but that no longer holds water either. For MSNBC, Charlie Cook quotes results from Gallup party identification surveys.  Before pushing independents, it looks like this:

  • In 2001, Democrats had an edge of eight-tenths of a percent;
  • In 2002 the GOP was up by nine-tenths of a percent
  • In 2003 Republicans were 1.9 points ahead.
  • In 2004 the Republican lead shrank to six-tenths of a point in 2004
  • In 2005 Democrats pulled within the error margin, with just four-tenths of a point separating the parties
  • In 2006, Democrats pulled away, leading Republicans by 3.9 points, with 34.3 percent identifying themselves as Democrats, 30.4 percent as Republicans and 33.9 percent as independents.

For Independents who lean toward a party, the numbers are even more dramatic:

  • In 2001 Democrats had an advantage of 1.3 points
  • The parties were four-tenths of a point apart, within the margin of error, in 2002
  • In 2003 there was just a one-tenth of a point difference, also within the MOE
  • In 2004, Democrats had a 2.7 point advantage
  • In 2005 the advantage grew to 4.4 points for Democrats
  • In 2006, this category exploded to a 10.2-point advantage for Democrats: 50.4 percent for Democrats, 40.2 percent for Republicans. The remaining 9.4 percent did not lean toward either party.

This 10.2-point advantage is the biggest lead either party has had since Gallup began tracking the leaners in 1991.

Those are national numbers.  How about closer to home?

Citing polling results from Capitol Survey Research Center, the Birmingham News writes:

[I]n June 2003, a few months after U.S. troops invaded Iraq, ... 50 percent of Alabama voters said they thought of themselves as Republican and 33 percent identified with the Democratic Party.

But voters' identification with the Republican Party plunged to 35 percent, the same as the Democratic percentage, in a poll taken by the center March 28-29, April 2-26 and May 1. Voters' identification with the two parties remained pretty much equal in May [2007].

In the 2006 Alabama primary Democrats cast 465,023 votes for governor compared to 459,759 Republican ballots.

In the January 2007 special election primary for Alabama House District 22, Democratic voters outnumbered Republicans by 3.7 to 1.  This after GOP chairman Mike Hubbard said, "I can tell you, the Democrats are scared to death about House District 22."  Taylor went on to win the HD22 seat with 58% of the vote.

Just last week in Mississippi, about 220,000 more Democrats than Republicans voted for a gubernatorial candidate. 

Conclusion. 

These are the kinds of statistics that indicate being a Democrat is no longer a terminal disease, even in the South.  Americans agree with many progressive ideas and more people consider themselves Democrats than Republicans.  Among Independent voters Democrats have about a 10 point advantage. 

This is the time for Democratic candidates to stop running away from their party.  The debate between the DLC and the netroots will continue long after Sunday's edition of Meet the Press. I believe and hope the netroots view is correct, based on recent recent information and also because I'm tired of living in a country where conservatism rules.  

What do y'all think? 

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I think (4.00 / 2)

that's one great diary! Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but a return to the days when people told the truth about what they believed, (and took the heat later if their ideas turned out to be bad)  and let voters decide who they agreed with most, seems to be the principle behind free elections. That's one reason I'm pulling the lever for Dennis Kucinich in the Democratic Primaries. Folks are tired of being manipulated and propagandized. If you have to make a secret out of your beliefs, you ought to examine them more closely, is what I think.

When we have such contempt expressed for 'idealogues', there's something fundamentally wrong. Every politician ought to be an idealist, IMO. Ideals founded this country, and ideals keep it functioning. Leave the politics for accomplishing agendas, and tell people what you believe in.  They might just vote for you. 



When in doubt tell the truth. It will confound your enemies and astound your friends.---Mark Twain


Honesty (4.00 / 1)

I just think there's a deep hunger for that in the American public, and Alabama voters are no different.  That's probably why Democrats do so well at local levels in Alabama -- when the voters have known you all your life, there isn't a lot of candidate "packaging" you can do.  You just have to run as yourself.

Get the middlemen and message consultants out of politics and let us see the candidates directly -- wouldn't that be nice?   



Work harder and work smarter!

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Those quotes from the candidates claiming to be both liberal and conservative (4.00 / 1)

Remind me of a character from the old BBC series "Rumpole of the Bailey", Guthrie Featherstone, who was a "Labour-Conservative" member of Pariiament.  Rumpole described this condition as "Guthrie gave up politics".

"Giving up politics" is a good description of these straddlers, who seem to try to deny that there are sides to be chosen.  Nevertheless, legislative debate and the ordering of society will always produce winners and losers, those who get the benefits and those who pay the costs.  Politics is how the choices are made, and the participants have to choose a side.

I think most Americans realize this deep down, so when a candidate tries to blur distinctions and claim "centrism", it sounds like that person is not dealing with the real world.  The next step in the voter's mind is to decide whether this means the candidate is delusional - or pretending.   Pretending politicans are not attractive.  (Unfortunately, sometimes delusional ones are - then you don't find out until it is too late! But that's another post...)

This is my main beef with Barack Obama - striving for some "center" that I don't think exists. 



"The War in Iraq is not the disease. The War in Iraq is a symptom. Arrogance is the disease" - Bill Richardson

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amen (4.00 / 2)

message consultants. ugh.

If you can't explain your position in ten seconds, you can't win. Well, why is that?

Karl Rove runs all his campaigns "as though it were on TV with the sound off."

 



When in doubt tell the truth. It will confound your enemies and astound your friends.---Mark Twain


Harry Truman: (4.00 / 2)
"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time"

Being a Christian and a Democrat is not impossible... (4.00 / 2)

One can be as "conservative as God's Word and as liberal as God's love."  I consider myself pro-gun, pro-family, and pro-life.  For me, supporting the right of law-abiding mentally stable American citizens to arm themselves is a no brainer until the Second Amendment is repealed, which will not and should not ever happen.  We certainly need to do a much better job of preventing individuals who do not meet that criteria from being able to purchase guns in this country. For me, being pro-family means supporting public education, universal health care, social security, a strong labor movement, veterans' benefits, and other programs that help out all American families in addition to tax cuts for working class families. It also means that I believe all American citizens, black and white, gay and straight, deserve the same civil rights, including marriage.  For me, being pro-life means I am against the death penalty but that I also believe that Roe v Wade should be overturned.  That does not mean that I believe abortion should be outlawed for the nation by judicial fiat; it means that I think the people of each respective state should ultimately decide the extent to which the procedure is allowed, something Roe v. Wade and subsequent rulings have made impossible. Abortion has never had a public mandate because the public has never been allowed to vote on the issue.  If Alabama had a referendum similar to the one in South Dakota in 2006, I would also accept it if Alabamians came to a similar conclusion.  I am certainly in favor of comprehensive sex education in public schools. At risk teenagers deserve a working knowledge of working knowledge of contraceptives as well as STDs.

I have my own misgivings about the DLC, an organization that seems far less focused on its members' social stances (many of them are rather liberal on that front) than their pro-business credentials.  That is distinct from the Blue Dogs, who lean more conservative socially but are often more progressive on other issues.  Nonetheless, I accept that both groups are made up of Democrats whose positions on certain issues sometimes differ from mine and am happy that the Democratic party has their support.  Even though I believe their unwavering opposition to restricting any procedure related to abortion whatsoever has hurt the Democrats' electability in places like Alabama, I do not question the netroots' loyalty as Democrats.  I wish they would not question the loyalty of people like me. 

 



Settle down there. (4.00 / 1)

I actually respect your pro-guns, pro-family and pro-life positions.  I'm not questioning your party loyalty or that of Rep. Davis, Harold Ford or Joe Turnham (that was his press release.)  What I am saying is that "conservative as God's word, liberal as God's love"  and "conservative impulses of responsibility and accountability, and to our more progressive impulses of shared obligation" are not very effective ways to talk to voters.  I don't know what's up with praising Reagan and Riley in the same speech, but I'll bet it didn't win any converts for Davis from the CoC either, and it ticked off every 2nd Democrat who read about it, at least.

The examples above are using the language of the right to try and activate center and left voters (you aren't ever going to get the right wing voters, so hang that up) and it leaves us confused about who you are.  Ditch the message consultants and just tell us who you are and what you stand for, like you just did in your comment.  That's the way you win respect.  I don't actually agree with all your positions, but I respect you for having thought it through, taken a position and told me squarely where you stand.  Respect is probably more potent than agreement. 

Please start reaching out to the center and left of center voters.  If you are a Democrat, those are your peeps.  Tell us you want our vote, even if we disagree with you on some things.



Work harder and work smarter!

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The trick is to stand firm... (4.00 / 2)

on your beliefs on particular issues, not to follow a predetermined party line.  You can get away with having opinions that people disagree with on a particular issue if you can make them respect your conviction. Just don't be a flip-flopper.  That's what I really like about Johnny Eaves over in Mississippi; he does apologize for his opinions on abortion or health care.  We'll see if he can pull off a huge upset, but it would be interesting if he did.



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You're right about the consultants... (4.00 / 2)

There is nothing wrong with trying to represent the position of your consituents.  However, when every single issue has been test marketed to appeal to the widest possible demographic, you come off sounding like a robot (aka Mitt Romney). 

The Senate race in Oklahoma this year will be an interesting test case for how an unapologetic liberal can do in a red state. In 2004, Brad Carson attempted to outflank his opponent to the right on social issues and I will agree that that rarely if ever works for a Democrat.

I'm not sure what is going on behind the scenes, but we need to find a Democrat to run for the US Senate from our own state.  Since Figures appears to be out of it and Davis has his eyes on the governor's mansion, maybe we could get a real draft Sparks movement going? I know he pulled out of the race, but in his appearane on For the Record, he seemed to leave the door cracked ever so slightly. I think he was saying without saying to the netroots that if he'll do it if we can make it viable with a serious draft movement.  Blue Sparks is still out there; maybe we could turn that or Sack Sessions into a Draft Sparks site?



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Sparks (4.00 / 1)
I'm going to email your comment to Larisa at Blue Sparks.  A draft movement will take a concerted effort to beat the Run Ron Sparks and Sack Sessions drums really hard for a while.  I'm very willing to participate, but not to be the only one or even the focal point.  We need a team to make a good run at this thing.

Work harder and work smarter!

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Congrats! (4.00 / 1)
I look to Daily Kos and what do I see?

A Mooncat, frontpaged, right in front of me.  :)


Great comment (4.00 / 1)

I came across on an unrelated blog, but I whooped ^o^

By My Vote    Today at 3:59 am EDT

I always hope for is someone like FDR who said, "Be sincere; be brief; be seated. What I seem to get is someone like Groucho Marx who said, "Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you've got it made." 

 
 

When in doubt tell the truth. It will confound your enemies and astound your friends.---Mark Twain


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